Haha same here will try with additional 5g routers to power on all spare hardware.
I suppose I could hot spot my phone and run a third machine over wifi, but its limited to something like a total of 40GB transfer quota for each month, so it’ll be testing only for a day or 2 a month
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Is the phaucet still phucked?
If so, the begging bowl is out at
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Anyone care to try to download the files that failed on me?
I wonder if it’s about data loss or possibly something with my router.
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Please, me too!
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Thank you very much 
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Only half that I’m almost broke…
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iv just curated my best performing vps’s and have cancelled the worst 50% not wanting to be flogging dead horses come next month.
after trying every which way to nurse them it would seem if you get to many with the same provider they could all end up on the same physical host and end up with poor performance.
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Thanks a lot! 
Haha - yapp - same here - cancelled a fair amount of them already after my full run up… because performance is way way lower than the rest …
… For a simple caldav server or an owncloud or so this wouldn’t be an issue … But in this scenario here it doesn’t make sense to keep paying for them …
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and also block buying is a bad idea as they all seem to end up on the same physical host.
I could definitely see patterns in the ones that struggled resource wise with when I set them up.
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I guess we might find out in the beta phase and I’ll for sure will see how it develops when the network really is live… Electricity costs are probably underestimated by most node runners (at least here in Germany they will be a significant factor for sure) and it for sure will make sense to run some nodes besides an anyway running caldav/owncloud server…
But if I could I’d switch to a cluster of passive cooled rpis (or similar… There are other devices even more price competitive from what I’ve seen) behind a fibre connection… Because low power cpus in combination with no cooling costs will in the long run surely beat the vps costs… Even with shared cpu and them being able to benefit from our tax system (buying hardware is a loss, as well as electricity and costs for bandwidth… And just the real benefit will be taxed… At home we need to pay taxes on top of all costs… )
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If I had fibre I’d go for the cheapest possible setup… At least 40 nodes per rpi 4… Just a regular Rpi 4 without fancy upgrades… passive cooling case and simple sd card should be around 150 euros… 25 of them is 3750 euros… Quite an investment already but equals to 1k nodes for sure (the raspberries won’t be worthless either anytime soon) … Not comparable to a server with redundant power supply, raid and stuff… But the network takes care of redundancy and reliability of nodes 
and the nodes would be highly parallelized… Probably not easy to come up with a singled server capable of running that number of nodes at the same performance … And power consumption of a large server will surely be much higher too… 25x~10W is just 250 watt… My old desktop pc was 150 watt running idle… And the monitor 100w too…
Imho hard to believe a data center can beat such a setup in any possible aspect
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Tax should only be applied after (revenue - operating costs - depreciation) which applies equally to home or vps. Well vps doesn’t have depreciation component. So tax is your normal have income pay taxes but doesn’t change the figure of earning comparisons between home and vps.
For those with gbps internet connections I would expect the cost of the RPi would be similar to a number of months of vps rental (with bandwidth costs added in) and with that in mind then home would be the obvious winner. Buy the RPis over vps. And if vps is profitable then run vps too to get a tad more profits.
For others with low bandwidth then the vps path might be a decent option to increase profits and run what they can at home with low power device(s). Maybe 2nd hand RPis
It’ll certainly be interesting to see if vps instances can turn a profit for the operators. Personally my gut feeling is that it’ll be finding that sweet spot of provider/vps sizing/nodes that will get enough profits to make it worth using vps instances. And if what people are saying that being on the same machine causes slowdowns then as more people use the best provider then the chance of being on the same machine/subnet as another person running nodes gets higher and higher as more turn to that provider.
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I think that is exactly it vps running is not fun and too many on same host they bog it down.
Today iv tried a few different providers out in different country’s and different specifications of vps and they all suck 
if I could just have a fast fiber line I would ditch the vps’s in a heart beat
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Can anyone download this anymore?
Yeah - may be that easy in your jurisdiction - here it is the case in theory too… But would be complicated here… Probably the easiest and cleanest way would be to register a company… No matter how you turn or twist it we’re talking about a serious investment of time and energy (and possibly money for splitting up the power supply and measuring what the company uses…)
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Conundrum though isn’t it? As is almost always the case, you get what you pay for.
As I discovered recently with what appeared to be a great deal but only 200 GB of transfer per day which doesn’t get you far.
Then it is probably safe to assume cheaper is also older or lower spec equipment overall.
Who is not going to go out there and look for the best “deal”… and then there goes the merry-go-round.
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hello -unpnp
ubuntu@sha:~$ sudo env "PATH=$PATH" safenode-manager add -h
Add one or more safenode services
Usage: safenode-manager add [OPTIONS]
Options:
--count <COUNT>
The number of service instances
--data-dir-path <DATA_DIR_PATH>
Provide the path for the data directory for the installed node.
--env <env>
Provide environment variables for the safenode service
--home-network
Set this flag to use the safenode '--home-network' feature
--local
Set this flag to launch safenode with the --local flag
--log-dir-path <LOG_DIR_PATH>
Provide the path for the log directory for the installed node.
--metrics-port <METRICS_PORT>
Specify a port for the open metrics server
--node-port <NODE_PORT>
Specify a port for the safenode service(s)
--path <PATH>
Provide a path for the safenode binary to be used by the service
--first
Set to indicate this is the first node in a new network
--peer <multiaddr>
Peer(s) to use for bootstrap, in a 'multiaddr' format containing the peer ID
[env: SAFE_PEERS=]
--rpc-address <RPC_ADDRESS>
Specify an Ipv4Addr for the node's RPC server to run on
--rpc-port <RPC_PORT>
Specify a port for the RPC service(s)
--upnp
Try to use UPnP to open a port in the home router and allow incoming connections
--url <URL>
Provide a safenode binary using a URL
--user <USER>
The user the service should run as
--version <VERSION>
Provide a specific version of safenode to be installed
-h, --help
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