I think it’s not just this, but also moving network storage power out of hands of small actors into some datacenters (aka cloud aka aws) and bigger storage centralization.
I suspect perhaps there could be another solution of the problem?
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I doubt you will need a UPS, unless you had terrible power that was off every few minutes or something.
The nodes are tiny so rebooting a node is inexpensive really. If you are running a few nodes then a power outage won’t affect you that much. As soon as the node is back on it will have to grab a load of (way less than 20Gb) data, but it earns from the second it restarts so unless it’s not responsive it should earn. If it does not supply data it should for a longer period then the network should ignore it and it won’t earn, but that is only if it does not get the data.
tl;dr Nodes who restart have a small cost of getting the data they should, but they are in a position to earn the second they are connected again. So the cost is amortised over a period, earning probability is almost instant
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I still imagine as the nodes are not resource intensive that many many folks will run at least one. Data centres cannot compete with that cost IMO.
It will be an area for consideration as we go. In reality, a data centre hosted node should not be able to pay its way as a SAFE node. That would be key really, otherwise that would lead to centralisation.
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AIUI the “gain” is in the reputational trashing of a network where secrets can be shared safely by some state actors.
Lots of very wealthy and influential people, entities will feel threatened by the SAFE Network. We would be VERY stupid to expect them not to fight back by the dirtiest means possible.
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So perhaps we should be pushing the MAID message
Massive Array of Inexpensive Disks
and the “pocket money” earning potential for anyone with spare disk space and bandwidth wherever they are.
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Not sure I follow, you talk singular here.
Do you think clusters on vps will run at a loss?
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I am spitballing economics, really. I think folk running from home hardware will vary from a single node to perhaps hundreds of nodes, however when it gets data centre like then it gets centralised very fast. To prevent that nodes ideally should earn money for those already running computers and the node is extra to pay for some (all) electric and so on.
The question becomes, at what level does it profit to centralise the nodes? (even small scale centralisation?)
Then crossing that rubicon, does that mean race to centralise by profit seeking orgs? or is there other elements at play? I note the big cloud providers did not get in on the btc miner action, and although a miner is not really a computer, but. a hashing machine, it’s no different for those who provide clusters of electronics. I mean running linux machine apple machine, btc miners, they are all just hardware/
Or does what happen in BTC happen here, yes there will be some huge players who all compete and a ton of small players on the edge?
As I say spitballing 
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With the nodes being so light weight these days I’m hoping it will be viable to run a few nodes per phones.
That would open up a fantastic amount of nodes for the network 
At almost no cost to the provider as they are always on to begin with
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I am not necessarily arguing for data centre nodes being profitable.
I am sure @aatonnomicc who is neck deep in vps nodes may feel otherwise. 
The economics of it all can become muddled though, I wonder how many people may run cloud nodes at a loss now in expectation of higher future value of collected rewards?
But then they are likely better off just buying the token. Idk.
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The key is simplification. If it’s as simple as installing a regular phone app these days the future for SafeNetwork will be golden. Paging @JimCollinson, who I believe, and sincerely hope, is also channeling Steve Jobs.
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I’m neck deep and know it’s not cheep but at present it’s easier to do it this way to get nodes onto the network than to manage machines at people’s houses with a promise of some coins at some point.
Once the network goes live and nodes can actually earn I think I’ll decommission my VPS’s and start helping people set up mini pc’s on there home networks
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If every smart phone in the world can run a few nodes at pretty much zero cost as they are on and using data anyway I hope @dirvine is right and it makes it unviable to centralise the network into data centers
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First stop Liverpool 
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I’ll bring @Southside can make a day of it
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I had something similar to that as well. I’d been uploading lots of random files and they started failing with the error about not being able to because there is an unverified transaction on the wallet.
The only way I know to get out of that is to destroy the wallet and start again so I wanted to transfer the 9.something tokens I had in it first (I’m glad I’d split them up!).
But the send wouldn’t complete because of the same error.
I’m really glad I’d split up the tokens as they are now hard to get!
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Iv got plenty tokens just can’t send them at the moment for that error when trying to send some tokens from a node running vps to my machine I upgraded the client on to latest version 
Is anyone able to send coins at present ?
yes, if you want some I can send some if you post an address.
Well if we can all get storage for our phones at this price, fair enough…
However, when out and about, out of range of home wi-fi, I think any mobile dataplan will soon be exceeded and I’d expect the phone providers to quickly add new conditions to their Ts&Cs
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when the network gets large enough wont each node be responsible for a tiny part so there fore wont be uploading or download that much ?
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just managed to send some coins successfully from another machine