paying for cloud services at the moment to indulge in testnets is simply enlightened altruism. We know our reward will come in next few months/years
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yeah, but there will still be a lot of network “chatter”.
I know all the logging is/was dialled up to the max but AFAICS there is still a lot of traffic that is not simply data up/down. I expect that ratio will be optimised as we move forward but it may still be significant.
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At work we have a limit on the company WiFi of 500mb per day and most numptys can spend that in less than 20 min on there face book feed or tick tock I suspect and hope a bit of node chatter will be pretty insignificant in comparison.
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Yeah but you are only going to earn when there is actual chunks being transferred. So yeah you might “idle” for free(ish) but earning SNT will have expenses.
Get them in then 
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Earn more than watching tick tok 
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I’ll take your word for it.
I have never used TickTock directly - only interacted via a screen grab.
This is where my age shows, to me its a mindless waste of time and brain activity - much like TV in general #Harrumph
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Iv never used it but I see plenty of people burn throug.there data for silly little videos
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When everything is stable I think there would be a value in an “EconomicsNet”.
I’m thinking:-
- no faucet at all
- people who can run nodes
- those who can’t run nodes apply for some chocolate coins and Maidsafe issue a small quantity to them to use for uploads
- Maidsafe continuously upload an amount of random data to the network to mimic the large corporate users and big users who will hopefully do so so the noderunners get some choccy coins
- noderunners try to satisfy their uploading using the choccy coins they’ve earned.
- Maidsafe selectively switch off their own nodes to see the economic effects and start them up again if space is looking tight
- We all see how we feel about the earning rate going up and down and whether it’s ‘worth’ running a certain number of nodes for the amount we want to upload.
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Could this be run on the side - parallel to other testnets?
For a limited time of course, a few days, just long enough to get some answers
How could u explain me, why isnt by default all encrypted? Thanks
One of the clever features of the network is self encryption which means that all you need to retrieve a file is a copy of the datamap.
That’s good because if you keep the map secret only you can access the file, or if you publish the datamap, anyone can access the file.
However, a downside is that a file has to be at least 3 kilobytes in size for self encryption to work, so at the moment such small files don’t get encrypted.
But in future this will be changed. Self encryption can’t do this, but other ways will be implemented to ensure everything is encrypted.
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What am I missing here - what is the problem with padding sub 3k files out to the size where they can self-encrypt?
By padding out the file with a known byte pattern do we introduce a vulnerability in the encryption?
It’s just that padding is a waste of space. Nothing to stop folk/clients doing that but then on decrypt you need to know how many pad characters to remove and so on. Seems simple but …
If everything is encrypted properly, then it’s all much simpler.
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Things running on batteries, always on, latencies, decrypting on poor cpu’s. 
My phone takes like 30 seconds or so to open a news site, phones hosting nodes gives me nightmares.
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Yes, phones are always going to be a challenge and nodes doing encryption makes that worse.
It’s important to get a good base that lives up to the key premise Secure Access For Everyone. We will keep pushing towards these goals and the other fundamentals.
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Key point. We won’t hit all the fundamentals on launch but these should be priority work going forward. Core dev rewards for instance should be attributed to PRs that move towards the fundimentals.
For phones I hope we can use them when plugged in. Lets see
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Typical data center is too expensive for BTC miners. Connectivity to other datacenters is expensive and BTC miners don’t need that, they easily move where they find cheap electricity.
It will drain battery in few hours. You can use phone connected to charger as low power server with battery backup, but I don’t see it viable on a phone you want to normally use.
I see, looks like I am not the only one who is aiming at miniPCs 
That is the million dollar question. It is very hard to estimate what will be ratio between “store and forget” data and “store and download million times” data. Also network overhead may be significant, that it why I don’t like the idea of deleting and redownloading all data on every reboot.
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I wonder if maidsafe in next testnet don’t have a faucet (it’s a PITA anyway), but select the first 20 or so members in the weeks most liked list or something and send them millions of coins for distribution?
It would be more normal perhaps? Let others run nodes and earn and so on.
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Time for a upgrade 
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That is what I use, bought 90 on auction. No idea what I am going to do with them all 
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