Ah wow. We’re definitely going overboard here then!
I’m thinking we might dial back the action taken here, perhaps focus on just the close nodes and not when we see something suspect for logging.
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They We’re some of mine I just killed them off.
I’ll report back later on if I find anything to report on them later on.
Off the top of my head yesterday I was trying to join nodes on them with 10 min delay and 40 nodes per machine.
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All my nodes have flat-lined, none have earned for 2 days.
Immediate assumption is people are no longer uploading, but of course they could suddenly be seen as bad despite all previously having earned.
@joshuef or anyone with knowledge on the matter, what is the plan for users to access node rewards.
I kinda hoped it would be as simple as scooping all cash notes into a single client wallet but that does not work without matching keys.
I thought cash notes are like cash, and could just be transferred to another wallet, that would have been so simple.
Currently it is clunky and a pita, not conducive to a smooth economy.
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do you think there would be sucessfull closed beta 28th ? If there are some bugs as I understood
What defines success of the closed beta? Hard to answer.
If you just want my general opinion, looks to me like all we need is some tweaking to bad node detection.
The faucet is a pain but not part of the network yet it can affect perception thereof.
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Eventually people worldwide will have to choose between it’s economi @Josh (good 1) and their fiat economy.
With only 30% tokens in the observable SAFE universe and 70% over 30 years…
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it defines for me not knowable hard bugs, I dont understand why is there testnet few days before closed beta that should test some function.
What do you mean?
Bad node detection was not tested in the wild, it needed to be.
If we wait for perfection to call “beta” that would be never ending.
I know I also questioned this earlier in the thread but things turned out to be more stable than I felt it was as the time.
My bugbears are mainly the economy right now. I don’t like free money faucet and if it is removed accessing rewards is difficult.
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Because chunks are relatively evenly distributed, if your node is full, so is pretty much everyone else. Node size is the same across the board.
So by restarting your node, sure, you’re creating a lot of churn which isn’t great, but it’s not helping you either. You’ll get a new node ID, and a whole new set of node-filling chunks that you won’t get paid to store because they aren’t new. You’re back where you started without the possibility of getting paid for anything new that was uploaded during your transition time.
You’re better off just spinning up new nodes than deleting the old one.
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is obviously ok to test in “wild”, but not few days before beta. I also dont call perfect beta, therefore I mentioned “hard bugs”, its just this repair and this repair and roadmap can go to hell then.
I don’t think this was the intention, from what I can tell there were difficulties with alpha branch that slowed the release of this test.
Thats deadlines for you 
Could the faucet being down could be contributing towards less new data being stored?
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#MeToo and as said above with the faucet down, this testnet is like a 10yr old Mercedes diesel with a broken starter ---- when it runs its wonderful and the interior is lovely but sadly worth £0 on the secondhand market
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Is fixing the faucet a big deal? TBH I expected it back up and dispensing before I got up yesterday…
How comprehensively did @aatonnomicc trash it?
I am thinking of passing on the title of “Hammer Lord” to him 
Limited engagement today, tools have arrived to unclog a drain out the back so its boiler suit and boots for me for a few hours.
I’ll run @Shu 's grep commands on the instances later before I take them down and see if we can confirm more of his figures.
I was expecting you would rather go knocking on his door with said hammer 
To be fair to him, he has removed the call to the faucet now
Also innocent until proven guilty and all that.
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No no no. rip the pish out of a local buyer of beer? <— bad move
Its OK with @scottefc86 ← who also will never walk alone — cos the beer he owes me exists only in potentia at this time. Hopefully he can come to Glasgow and make that beer real before I totally decrement my account.
Utterly off-topic:: Got word today that I might get guest-listed for Eagles and Steely Dan 
in Manchester in a couple of months - If I am saving £2-300 per ticket, I can afford to detour via Liverpool for a few hours where I can buy @scottefc86 
instead
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Tell that to Julian Assange, Alec Salmond and many many others
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I don’t think chunks are very evenly distributed at the moment. I think they started off that way but some node failures and not lots of new nodes being added has led to some ‘hotspots’. Evidence for this is the wildly varying costs of uploading tiny files that are chunked to 3 chunks. I’m seeing costs per chunk that vary a lot.
I do agree that starting new nodes is the way forward though and that killing old ones to start new ones to try to get payments isn’t helpful and probably won’t work anyway without lots of new data being uploaded.
Definitely! I still have a few hundred choccy coins but a lot of people have run out uploads tend to cost a lot now. It’s not just that people run out of money: the payment failures sometimes result in losing all your balance.
Did you come to any conclusion about the issue regarding nodes provisioned with the node manager not earning? Remember, all the node manager does is just setup the nodes to run as a service. It doesn’t actually have any interaction with them other than that.
Also, for any given testnet, all the nodes hosted by Maidsafe are provisioned using the node manager.