Hell nah brother!
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Wonder if any bigger tech companies are âsilentlyâ following this project? Ya know, for acquisition purposes. And how would that affect the price?
Thatâd be a touch presumptuous donâtya think?
Extremely unlikely, would be like buying a biotech company that does not even have a successful P1 trial. We have no idea if what has been cooked up works well or not yet until we get a v1 safenetwork.
As for low token price value, it makes sense that it sits this low until we have something of value. Right now we donât and without marketing hype bs we deservedly will stay that low. So I am glad its value is where its at as a token holder because its reasonable and realistic, I want the price to reflect what MaidSafe delivers on. If we get to v1 and it still sub 1 dollar for an extended time then I will be worried but until then I am a happy camper.
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Very true. And I was thinking after v1 plus proven capability and the requisite shameless amount of media buzz.
Big companies usually wait till the product is developed and proven.
Or at least until a useful capability is developed.
Stats from using the bittrex orderbook script (the full bittrex orderbook is posted at the end of the post, just for historical records since this canât be put into archive.org)
BTC waiting to buy: 2.4363
MAID waiting to be sold: 2,133,211
We all assume hitbtc fakes volume, so letâs just see how this theory stacks up on other measures rather than just trade volumeâŚ
Coinmarketcap MAID markets shows 96% of volume is hitbtc, 4% is bittrex.
Cold storage shows a ratio of 11% hitbtc, 89% bittrex.
Bittrex cold storage: 26,900,835 BTC (1DUb2YYbQA1jjaNYzVXLZ7ZioEhLXtbUru)
Hitbtc cold storage: 3,356,959 BTC (14quvdxXj7h4kcfhhuKX39wRc6X5sodkjM)
hitbtc orderbook shows
BTC waiting to buy: 2.01827 (82% of what bittrex has on the books)
MAID waiting to be sold: 1,035,385 (49% of what bittrex has on the books)
Iâm not sure how much ârealâ volume happens on hitbtc and these figures donât really allow us to know for sure, but the trade volume there does seem a bit iffy compared to the other metrics that can be compared. It seems clear that bittrex is the âbiggerâ market despite the much lower trade volume.
Bittrex full orderbook 2020-08-18 23:00 UTC
BUYS
price,maid,btc
0.00000857,88.206,0.0008,
0.00000842,122.077,0.0010,
0.00000841,5976.811,0.0503,
0.00000840,1315.189,0.0110,
0.00000839,91.498,0.0008,
0.00000837,720.917,0.0060,
0.00000836,1649.405,0.0138,
0.00000835,77.844,0.0006,
0.00000834,2393.295,0.0200,
0.00000833,2396.168,0.0200,
0.00000831,489.003,0.0041,
0.00000830,1006.461,0.0084,
0.00000824,285.550,0.0024,
0.00000821,200.000,0.0016,
0.00000819,444.200,0.0036,
0.00000818,640.839,0.0052,
0.00000817,6119.951,0.0500,
0.00000810,366.469,0.0030,
0.00000809,1190.000,0.0096,
0.00000807,495.663,0.0040,
0.00000806,1128.068,0.0091,
0.00000805,2468.600,0.0199,
0.00000802,62.345,0.0005,
0.00000801,2718.313,0.0218,
0.00000800,5206.269,0.0417,
0.00000789,642.000,0.0051,
0.00000784,630.000,0.0049,
0.00000782,623.551,0.0049,
0.00000780,1025.641,0.0080,
0.00000779,5000.000,0.0389,
0.00000777,64.831,0.0005,
0.00000766,1658.149,0.0127,
0.00000765,1658.149,0.0127,
0.00000764,1658.149,0.0127,
0.00000763,1658.149,0.0127,
0.00000762,1658.149,0.0126,
0.00000761,1658.149,0.0126,
0.00000760,1921.307,0.0146,
0.00000759,1658.149,0.0126,
0.00000758,1658.149,0.0126,
0.00000757,3243.354,0.0246,
0.00000756,3900.000,0.0295,
0.00000755,1470.000,0.0111,
0.00000741,1840.000,0.0136,
0.00000715,14095.673,0.1008,
0.00000705,7092.199,0.0500,
0.00000701,1038.579,0.0073,
0.00000700,1797.327,0.0126,
0.00000686,583.090,0.0040,
0.00000666,13140.853,0.0875,
0.00000656,80.000,0.0005,
0.00000650,3162.036,0.0206,
0.00000641,5733.669,0.0368,
0.00000583,25728.988,0.1500,
0.00000568,6537.129,0.0371,
0.00000512,19154.816,0.0981,
0.00000500,14985.756,0.0749,
0.00000470,20265.543,0.0952,
0.00000437,21687.892,0.0948,
0.00000409,25000.000,0.1022,
0.00000403,19149.607,0.0772,
0.00000362,827.075,0.0030,
0.00000361,27700.831,0.1000,
0.00000303,26880.250,0.0814,
0.00000262,1904.588,0.0050,
0.00000261,31380.086,0.0819,
0.00000213,48183.838,0.1026,
0.00000201,25000.000,0.0502,
0.00000145,1376.557,0.0020,
0.00000144,48523.099,0.0699,
0.00000122,53719.208,0.0655,
0.00000112,22263.045,0.0249,
0.00000066,7560.636,0.0050,
0.00000065,3070.782,0.0020,
0.00000064,6094.300,0.0039,
0.00000058,5000.000,0.0029,
0.00000057,1777.368,0.0010,
0.00000056,97987.369,0.0549,
0.00000027,25888.955,0.0070,
0.00000026,19192.384,0.0050,
0.00000024,6094.860,0.0015,
0.00000021,2404.000,0.0005,
0.00000017,3000.000,0.0005,
0.00000016,353924.643,0.0566,
0.00000014,3633.773,0.0005,
0.00000012,33267.798,0.0040,
0.00000009,66555.777,0.0060,
0.00000008,25000.000,0.0020,
0.00000007,7200.000,0.0005,
0.00000006,332667.997,0.0200,
0.00000004,1409250.000,0.0564,
0.00000003,40000.000,0.0012,
0.00000002,25000.000,0.0005,
0.00000001,228387.032,0.0023,
SELLS
price,maid,btc
0.00000860,28.968,0.0002,
0.00000866,175.234,0.0015,
0.00000867,99.500,0.0009,
0.00000868,93.602,0.0008,
0.00000870,109.500,0.0010,
0.00000875,199.000,0.0017,
0.00000884,95.755,0.0008,
0.00000885,149.000,0.0013,
0.00000894,271.781,0.0024,
0.00000895,150.000,0.0013,
0.00000897,508.052,0.0046,
0.00000898,3204.992,0.0288,
0.00000899,9311.172,0.0837,
0.00000902,29999.897,0.2706,
0.00000915,2358.589,0.0216,
0.00000917,125.805,0.0012,
0.00000918,149.054,0.0014,
0.00000919,2712.527,0.0249,
0.00000920,9999.000,0.0920,
0.00000922,532.613,0.0049,
0.00000923,226.755,0.0021,
0.00000926,1500.279,0.0139,
0.00000931,1104.023,0.0103,
0.00000936,4332.670,0.0406,
0.00000941,2443.260,0.0230,
0.00000942,114.958,0.0011,
0.00000943,2258.378,0.0213,
0.00000944,2241.620,0.0212,
0.00000945,60.787,0.0006,
0.00000946,167.776,0.0016,
0.00000950,5000.000,0.0475,
0.00000955,96.277,0.0009,
0.00000956,819.661,0.0078,
0.00000959,114.958,0.0011,
0.00000960,5000.000,0.0480,
0.00000962,107.286,0.0010,
0.00000967,290.000,0.0028,
0.00000970,5000.000,0.0485,
0.00000977,109.753,0.0011,
0.00000979,183.932,0.0018,
0.00000980,5000.000,0.0490,
0.00000983,214.829,0.0021,
0.00000985,1165.893,0.0115,
0.00000987,2960.866,0.0292,
0.00000990,5000.000,0.0495,
0.00000993,112.277,0.0011,
0.00000995,229.915,0.0023,
0.00000996,526.902,0.0052,
0.00000997,250.000,0.0025,
0.00000998,390.000,0.0039,
0.00001000,68575.901,0.6858,
0.00001001,1714.480,0.0172,
0.00001007,3501.768,0.0353,
0.00001024,475.898,0.0049,
0.00001025,2295.000,0.0235,
0.00001026,257.000,0.0026,
0.00001027,168.832,0.0017,
0.00001028,919.876,0.0095,
0.00001030,270.000,0.0028,
0.00001032,132.980,0.0014,
0.00001035,57.689,0.0006,
0.00001036,11514.066,0.1193,
0.00001050,3000.000,0.0315,
0.00001052,52.313,0.0006,
0.00001086,61.558,0.0007,
0.00001087,170.869,0.0019,
0.00001095,851.276,0.0093,
0.00001100,161.960,0.0018,
0.00001101,3133.845,0.0345,
0.00001107,1441.706,0.0160,
0.00001131,910.000,0.0103,
0.00001143,4687.801,0.0536,
0.00001150,2722.669,0.0313,
0.00001159,136.970,0.0016,
0.00001195,3473.000,0.0415,
0.00001196,50.628,0.0006,
0.00001198,181.019,0.0022,
0.00001200,16161.353,0.1939,
0.00001202,500.000,0.0060,
0.00001208,455.373,0.0055,
0.00001210,500.000,0.0060,
0.00001217,1080.000,0.0131,
0.00001224,500.000,0.0061,
0.00001225,60.000,0.0007,
0.00001240,171.529,0.0021,
0.00001245,1124.778,0.0140,
0.00001250,659.379,0.0082,
0.00001268,207.533,0.0026,
0.00001278,1033.308,0.0132,
0.00001285,965.000,0.0124,
0.00001286,141.081,0.0018,
0.00001292,2142.616,0.0277,
0.00001300,3000.000,0.0390,
0.00001302,5995.365,0.0781,
0.00001305,4531.400,0.0591,
0.00001306,208.646,0.0027,
0.00001320,19302.796,0.2548,
0.00001336,161.960,0.0022,
0.00001339,3120.610,0.0418,
0.00001340,228.750,0.0031,
0.00001345,680.320,0.0092,
0.00001349,35090.000,0.4734,
0.00001350,400.000,0.0054,
0.00001360,105.000,0.0014,
0.00001363,181.441,0.0025,
0.00001368,664.542,0.0091,
0.00001375,10000.000,0.1375,
0.00001379,10000.000,0.1379,
0.00001380,201.365,0.0028,
0.00001382,5200.000,0.0719,
0.00001385,5259.893,0.0728,
0.00001394,3710.336,0.0517,
0.00001398,200.000,0.0028,
0.00001413,145.313,0.0021,
0.00001415,46.678,0.0007,
0.00001431,157.000,0.0022,
0.00001436,7889.839,0.1133,
0.00001450,100.200,0.0015,
0.00001461,1124.778,0.0164,
0.00001468,309.250,0.0045,
0.00001495,750.000,0.0112,
0.00001498,3842.912,0.0576,
0.00001499,888.803,0.0133,
0.00001500,64261.556,0.9639,
0.00001508,124.045,0.0019,
0.00001525,69.178,0.0011,
0.00001528,3804.345,0.0581,
0.00001540,149.670,0.0023,
0.00001558,5000.000,0.0779,
0.00001561,33.226,0.0005,
0.00001564,400.000,0.0063,
0.00001566,2005.299,0.0314,
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0.00001572,1306.000,0.0205,
0.00001578,1900.000,0.0300,
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Have you looked at coingecko they have some feature for showing estimated real volume. For HitBTC I think they show 10% real volume or so.
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Pretty handy analysis on the coingecko exchange pages.
Hitbtc trust score 7
Reported-Normalized Volume Ratio: 0.189 (ie they seem to consider around 80% of trade volume to be fake)
Bittrex trust score 8
Reported-Normalized Volume Ratio: 1.0
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coinpaprika also have their own algorithm for determining reliability:
Did we just hit ATL?
Not in terms of Euros.
I missed the sub âŹ0.05 opertunity earlier this year⌠if we get that low again I will be taking a large amount of maidsafe off the market - maybe some of my newbies also.
With Fleming comming up this price is a steal.
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I have postponed buying a couple of things on Ebay just to put the ÂŁ into BTC then MAID
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I think people are liquidating alt coins, including maidsafe to get on the bitcoin bull run thatâs arriving in October.
So many YouTube videos are talking about an October event⌠you know what I think is happening in October⌠long term and experienced bitcoin traders will finish taking their profits and bitcoin will drop back down to 4K
Bitcoin have a great media game.
Anyone who is selling maidsafe now might regret it.
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Nah, long road down to what shows as ATL for me. Which was like 3.6 cents USD during the covid crash. Hope me choosing to HODL my ETH right now as well does not backfire, sad to see it breakdown below 400 too 
. I believe we see 20k usd btc again soon and 1k usd eth as well. As for MAID gotta deliver a network before I start to care again about USD value associated to these coins.
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I have been nibbling away at these ridiculous prices 
. Go Fleming
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Trying to get a migration done where we need to burn CounterParty from ~3000 accts and send out matching ERC-20 to 3000 new ETH addresses- Iâm VERY happy to see the ETH price drop right now 
We were thinking about just postponing it for a week or so to see if ETH calmed down any. All this ânewâ DeFi traffic isnt helping eitherâŚ
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Seems like someone really likes 18,000 lines of refactoring. On top of 18,000 more for âslow olâ PARSEC, great while ya lasted!â removal.
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Whatever goes down must come up. Or was that whatever goes up must come downđ
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