Very true. And I was thinking after v1 plus proven capability and the requisite shameless amount of media buzz.
Big companies usually wait till the product is developed and proven.
Or at least until a useful capability is developed.
Stats from using the bittrex orderbook script (the full bittrex orderbook is posted at the end of the post, just for historical records since this canāt be put into archive.org)
BTC waiting to buy: 2.4363
MAID waiting to be sold: 2,133,211
We all assume hitbtc fakes volume, so letās just see how this theory stacks up on other measures rather than just trade volumeā¦
Coinmarketcap MAID markets shows 96% of volume is hitbtc, 4% is bittrex.
Cold storage shows a ratio of 11% hitbtc, 89% bittrex.
Bittrex cold storage: 26,900,835 BTC (1DUb2YYbQA1jjaNYzVXLZ7ZioEhLXtbUru)
Hitbtc cold storage: 3,356,959 BTC (14quvdxXj7h4kcfhhuKX39wRc6X5sodkjM)
hitbtc orderbook shows
BTC waiting to buy: 2.01827 (82% of what bittrex has on the books)
MAID waiting to be sold: 1,035,385 (49% of what bittrex has on the books)
Iām not sure how much ārealā volume happens on hitbtc and these figures donāt really allow us to know for sure, but the trade volume there does seem a bit iffy compared to the other metrics that can be compared. It seems clear that bittrex is the ābiggerā market despite the much lower trade volume.
Bittrex full orderbook 2020-08-18 23:00 UTC
BUYS
price,maid,btc
0.00000857,88.206,0.0008,
0.00000842,122.077,0.0010,
0.00000841,5976.811,0.0503,
0.00000840,1315.189,0.0110,
0.00000839,91.498,0.0008,
0.00000837,720.917,0.0060,
0.00000836,1649.405,0.0138,
0.00000835,77.844,0.0006,
0.00000834,2393.295,0.0200,
0.00000833,2396.168,0.0200,
0.00000831,489.003,0.0041,
0.00000830,1006.461,0.0084,
0.00000824,285.550,0.0024,
0.00000821,200.000,0.0016,
0.00000819,444.200,0.0036,
0.00000818,640.839,0.0052,
0.00000817,6119.951,0.0500,
0.00000810,366.469,0.0030,
0.00000809,1190.000,0.0096,
0.00000807,495.663,0.0040,
0.00000806,1128.068,0.0091,
0.00000805,2468.600,0.0199,
0.00000802,62.345,0.0005,
0.00000801,2718.313,0.0218,
0.00000800,5206.269,0.0417,
0.00000789,642.000,0.0051,
0.00000784,630.000,0.0049,
0.00000782,623.551,0.0049,
0.00000780,1025.641,0.0080,
0.00000779,5000.000,0.0389,
0.00000777,64.831,0.0005,
0.00000766,1658.149,0.0127,
0.00000765,1658.149,0.0127,
0.00000764,1658.149,0.0127,
0.00000763,1658.149,0.0127,
0.00000762,1658.149,0.0126,
0.00000761,1658.149,0.0126,
0.00000760,1921.307,0.0146,
0.00000759,1658.149,0.0126,
0.00000758,1658.149,0.0126,
0.00000757,3243.354,0.0246,
0.00000756,3900.000,0.0295,
0.00000755,1470.000,0.0111,
0.00000741,1840.000,0.0136,
0.00000715,14095.673,0.1008,
0.00000705,7092.199,0.0500,
0.00000701,1038.579,0.0073,
0.00000700,1797.327,0.0126,
0.00000686,583.090,0.0040,
0.00000666,13140.853,0.0875,
0.00000656,80.000,0.0005,
0.00000650,3162.036,0.0206,
0.00000641,5733.669,0.0368,
0.00000583,25728.988,0.1500,
0.00000568,6537.129,0.0371,
0.00000512,19154.816,0.0981,
0.00000500,14985.756,0.0749,
0.00000470,20265.543,0.0952,
0.00000437,21687.892,0.0948,
0.00000409,25000.000,0.1022,
0.00000403,19149.607,0.0772,
0.00000362,827.075,0.0030,
0.00000361,27700.831,0.1000,
0.00000303,26880.250,0.0814,
0.00000262,1904.588,0.0050,
0.00000261,31380.086,0.0819,
0.00000213,48183.838,0.1026,
0.00000201,25000.000,0.0502,
0.00000145,1376.557,0.0020,
0.00000144,48523.099,0.0699,
0.00000122,53719.208,0.0655,
0.00000112,22263.045,0.0249,
0.00000066,7560.636,0.0050,
0.00000065,3070.782,0.0020,
0.00000064,6094.300,0.0039,
0.00000058,5000.000,0.0029,
0.00000057,1777.368,0.0010,
0.00000056,97987.369,0.0549,
0.00000027,25888.955,0.0070,
0.00000026,19192.384,0.0050,
0.00000024,6094.860,0.0015,
0.00000021,2404.000,0.0005,
0.00000017,3000.000,0.0005,
0.00000016,353924.643,0.0566,
0.00000014,3633.773,0.0005,
0.00000012,33267.798,0.0040,
0.00000009,66555.777,0.0060,
0.00000008,25000.000,0.0020,
0.00000007,7200.000,0.0005,
0.00000006,332667.997,0.0200,
0.00000004,1409250.000,0.0564,
0.00000003,40000.000,0.0012,
0.00000002,25000.000,0.0005,
0.00000001,228387.032,0.0023,
SELLS
price,maid,btc
0.00000860,28.968,0.0002,
0.00000866,175.234,0.0015,
0.00000867,99.500,0.0009,
0.00000868,93.602,0.0008,
0.00000870,109.500,0.0010,
0.00000875,199.000,0.0017,
0.00000884,95.755,0.0008,
0.00000885,149.000,0.0013,
0.00000894,271.781,0.0024,
0.00000895,150.000,0.0013,
0.00000897,508.052,0.0046,
0.00000898,3204.992,0.0288,
0.00000899,9311.172,0.0837,
0.00000902,29999.897,0.2706,
0.00000915,2358.589,0.0216,
0.00000917,125.805,0.0012,
0.00000918,149.054,0.0014,
0.00000919,2712.527,0.0249,
0.00000920,9999.000,0.0920,
0.00000922,532.613,0.0049,
0.00000923,226.755,0.0021,
0.00000926,1500.279,0.0139,
0.00000931,1104.023,0.0103,
0.00000936,4332.670,0.0406,
0.00000941,2443.260,0.0230,
0.00000942,114.958,0.0011,
0.00000943,2258.378,0.0213,
0.00000944,2241.620,0.0212,
0.00000945,60.787,0.0006,
0.00000946,167.776,0.0016,
0.00000950,5000.000,0.0475,
0.00000955,96.277,0.0009,
0.00000956,819.661,0.0078,
0.00000959,114.958,0.0011,
0.00000960,5000.000,0.0480,
0.00000962,107.286,0.0010,
0.00000967,290.000,0.0028,
0.00000970,5000.000,0.0485,
0.00000977,109.753,0.0011,
0.00000979,183.932,0.0018,
0.00000980,5000.000,0.0490,
0.00000983,214.829,0.0021,
0.00000985,1165.893,0.0115,
0.00000987,2960.866,0.0292,
0.00000990,5000.000,0.0495,
0.00000993,112.277,0.0011,
0.00000995,229.915,0.0023,
0.00000996,526.902,0.0052,
0.00000997,250.000,0.0025,
0.00000998,390.000,0.0039,
0.00001000,68575.901,0.6858,
0.00001001,1714.480,0.0172,
0.00001007,3501.768,0.0353,
0.00001024,475.898,0.0049,
0.00001025,2295.000,0.0235,
0.00001026,257.000,0.0026,
0.00001027,168.832,0.0017,
0.00001028,919.876,0.0095,
0.00001030,270.000,0.0028,
0.00001032,132.980,0.0014,
0.00001035,57.689,0.0006,
0.00001036,11514.066,0.1193,
0.00001050,3000.000,0.0315,
0.00001052,52.313,0.0006,
0.00001086,61.558,0.0007,
0.00001087,170.869,0.0019,
0.00001095,851.276,0.0093,
0.00001100,161.960,0.0018,
0.00001101,3133.845,0.0345,
0.00001107,1441.706,0.0160,
0.00001131,910.000,0.0103,
0.00001143,4687.801,0.0536,
0.00001150,2722.669,0.0313,
0.00001159,136.970,0.0016,
0.00001195,3473.000,0.0415,
0.00001196,50.628,0.0006,
0.00001198,181.019,0.0022,
0.00001200,16161.353,0.1939,
0.00001202,500.000,0.0060,
0.00001208,455.373,0.0055,
0.00001210,500.000,0.0060,
0.00001217,1080.000,0.0131,
0.00001224,500.000,0.0061,
0.00001225,60.000,0.0007,
0.00001240,171.529,0.0021,
0.00001245,1124.778,0.0140,
0.00001250,659.379,0.0082,
0.00001268,207.533,0.0026,
0.00001278,1033.308,0.0132,
0.00001285,965.000,0.0124,
0.00001286,141.081,0.0018,
0.00001292,2142.616,0.0277,
0.00001300,3000.000,0.0390,
0.00001302,5995.365,0.0781,
0.00001305,4531.400,0.0591,
0.00001306,208.646,0.0027,
0.00001320,19302.796,0.2548,
0.00001336,161.960,0.0022,
0.00001339,3120.610,0.0418,
0.00001340,228.750,0.0031,
0.00001345,680.320,0.0092,
0.00001349,35090.000,0.4734,
0.00001350,400.000,0.0054,
0.00001360,105.000,0.0014,
0.00001363,181.441,0.0025,
0.00001368,664.542,0.0091,
0.00001375,10000.000,0.1375,
0.00001379,10000.000,0.1379,
0.00001380,201.365,0.0028,
0.00001382,5200.000,0.0719,
0.00001385,5259.893,0.0728,
0.00001394,3710.336,0.0517,
0.00001398,200.000,0.0028,
0.00001413,145.313,0.0021,
0.00001415,46.678,0.0007,
0.00001431,157.000,0.0022,
0.00001436,7889.839,0.1133,
0.00001450,100.200,0.0015,
0.00001461,1124.778,0.0164,
0.00001468,309.250,0.0045,
0.00001495,750.000,0.0112,
0.00001498,3842.912,0.0576,
0.00001499,888.803,0.0133,
0.00001500,64261.556,0.9639,
0.00001508,124.045,0.0019,
0.00001525,69.178,0.0011,
0.00001528,3804.345,0.0581,
0.00001540,149.670,0.0023,
0.00001558,5000.000,0.0779,
0.00001561,33.226,0.0005,
0.00001564,400.000,0.0063,
0.00001566,2005.299,0.0314,
0.00001568,8177.173,0.1282,
0.00001569,20274.658,0.3181,
0.00001572,1306.000,0.0205,
0.00001578,1900.000,0.0300,
0.00001580,3500.000,0.0553,
0.00001599,245.116,0.0039,
0.00001600,22293.409,0.3567,
0.00001608,116.068,0.0019,
0.00001610,44.237,0.0007,
0.00001638,180.747,0.0030,
0.00001650,36.597,0.0006,
0.00001652,87.829,0.0015,
0.00001667,154.163,0.0026,
0.00001680,350.384,0.0059,
0.00001694,1277.824,0.0216,
0.00001699,547.484,0.0093,
0.00001700,16717.806,0.2842,
0.00001720,30468.956,0.5241,
0.00001735,46.000,0.0008,
0.00001739,80.701,0.0014,
0.00001760,210.170,0.0037,
0.00001766,87.829,0.0016,
0.00001778,8382.085,0.1490,
0.00001780,12520.731,0.2229,
0.00001788,719.094,0.0129,
0.00001790,33.525,0.0006,
0.00001794,158.788,0.0028,
0.00001800,19402.000,0.3492,
0.00001801,87.829,0.0016,
0.00001822,1239.659,0.0226,
0.00001828,126.073,0.0023,
0.00001848,80.005,0.0015,
0.00001851,87.829,0.0016,
0.00001888,3667.000,0.0692,
0.00001900,5832.369,0.1108,
0.00001904,646.000,0.0123,
0.00001908,55.006,0.0010,
0.00001921,163.551,0.0031,
0.00001929,1250.000,0.0241,
0.00001940,6741.932,0.1308,
0.00001944,1000.000,0.0194,
0.00001950,625.000,0.0122,
0.00001981,1991.640,0.0395,
0.00001997,297.742,0.0059,
0.00001999,272.509,0.0054,
0.00002000,3576.500,0.0715,
0.00002022,28.750,0.0006,
0.00002040,112.971,0.0023,
0.00002048,193.458,0.0040,
0.00002049,24.456,0.0005,
0.00002070,800.000,0.0166,
0.00002100,51.000,0.0011,
0.00002101,119.000,0.0025,
0.00002106,28.489,0.0006,
0.00002119,90.067,0.0019,
0.00002144,1377.000,0.0295,
0.00002171,1600.000,0.0347,
0.00002174,5909.012,0.1285,
0.00002182,1818.000,0.0397,
0.00002200,7578.807,0.1667,
0.00002222,2651.053,0.0589,
0.00002228,448.833,0.0100,
0.00002230,1500.000,0.0335,
0.00002242,1500.000,0.0336,
0.00002260,1327.434,0.0300,
0.00002264,4939.053,0.1118,
0.00002276,161.261,0.0037,
0.00002285,1000.913,0.0229,
0.00002300,1500.000,0.0345,
0.00002301,178.717,0.0041,
0.00002325,865.687,0.0201,
0.00002328,1000.000,0.0233,
0.00002360,1500.000,0.0354,
0.00002384,385.727,0.0092,
0.00002387,1256.808,0.0300,
0.00002400,2300.000,0.0552,
0.00002419,1500.000,0.0363,
0.00002428,184.078,0.0045,
0.00002444,1720.025,0.0420,
0.00002461,276.661,0.0068,
0.00002469,1235.954,0.0305,
0.00002472,50.000,0.0012,
0.00002479,4675.603,0.1159,
0.00002485,1303.419,0.0324,
0.00002486,1935.000,0.0481,
0.00002499,10111.209,0.2527,
0.00002500,39546.471,0.9887,
0.00002532,991.803,0.0251,
0.00002540,90.733,0.0023,
0.00002555,189.601,0.0048,
0.00002562,2433.201,0.0623,
0.00002589,1000.000,0.0259,
0.00002600,12554.767,0.3264,
0.00002613,22.963,0.0006,
0.00002616,500.000,0.0131,
0.00002640,2437.807,0.0644,
0.00002682,195.289,0.0052,
0.00002695,1928.826,0.0520,
0.00002699,1000.000,0.0270,
0.00002700,22517.959,0.6080,
0.00002719,1451.250,0.0395,
0.00002772,7000.000,0.1940,
0.00002794,1005.860,0.0281,
0.00002800,2000.000,0.0560,
0.00002809,201.147,0.0057,
0.00002828,635.420,0.0180,
0.00002834,81.320,0.0023,
0.00002839,1390.500,0.0395,
0.00002845,200.000,0.0057,
0.00002874,1000.000,0.0287,
0.00002900,2088.057,0.0606,
0.00002936,207.182,0.0061,
0.00002937,50.000,0.0015,
0.00002939,20.699,0.0006,
0.00002953,1000.000,0.0295,
0.00003000,4568.000,0.1370,
0.00003013,1915.000,0.0577,
0.00003020,1000.000,0.0302,
0.00003063,213.397,0.0065,
0.00003094,1058.474,0.0327,
0.00003100,419.000,0.0130,
0.00003119,2744.188,0.0856,
0.00003143,45.003,0.0014,
0.00003162,72.885,0.0023,
0.00003180,900.000,0.0286,
0.00003190,219.800,0.0070,
0.00003206,50.000,0.0016,
0.00003209,1400.000,0.0449,
0.00003257,921.093,0.0300,
0.00003268,632.250,0.0207,
0.00003270,4000.000,0.1308,
0.00003299,477.784,0.0158,
0.00003300,2000.000,0.0660,
0.00003317,226.393,0.0075,
0.00003342,1000.000,0.0334,
0.00003386,3372.000,0.1142,
0.00003400,100.000,0.0034,
0.00003444,733.185,0.0253,
0.00003448,839.685,0.0290,
0.00003450,5000.000,0.1725,
0.00003471,100.000,0.0035,
0.00003498,500.000,0.0175,
0.00003500,65000.000,2.2750,
0.00003509,1000.000,0.0351,
0.00003522,8970.433,0.3159,
0.00003529,65.305,0.0023,
0.00003571,240.181,0.0086,
0.00003600,833.333,0.0300,
0.00003641,5735.500,0.2088,
0.00003661,19337.345,0.7079,
0.00003688,100000.000,3.6880,
0.00003693,1000.000,0.0369,
0.00003698,247.386,0.0091,
0.00003700,6893.856,0.2551,
0.00003750,8395.000,0.3148,
0.00003767,1004.352,0.0378,
0.00003769,2500.000,0.0942,
0.00003770,31406.868,1.1840,
0.00003778,3912.000,0.1478,
0.00003813,2000.000,0.0763,
0.00003817,27.503,0.0010,
0.00003825,254.808,0.0097,
0.00003845,1000.000,0.0384,
0.00003850,1476.667,0.0569,
0.00003853,7463.000,0.2875,
0.00003868,200.000,0.0077,
0.00003889,1982.465,0.0771,
0.00003898,8173.850,0.3186,
0.00003900,43.788,0.0017,
0.00003920,2497.000,0.0979,
0.00003924,2058.141,0.0808,
0.00003938,58.522,0.0023,
0.00003939,1876.000,0.0739,
0.00003952,262.452,0.0104,
0.00003972,150.000,0.0060,
0.00003977,11500.000,0.4574,
0.00003999,1582.285,0.0633,
0.00004000,9553.980,0.3822,
0.00004079,270.326,0.0110,
0.00004146,1000.000,0.0415,
0.00004160,319.000,0.0133,
0.00004175,1620.000,0.0676,
0.00004188,60.000,0.0025,
0.00004205,278.436,0.0117,
0.00004242,84.000,0.0036,
0.00004263,2000.000,0.0853,
0.00004277,3000.000,0.1283,
0.00004278,10000.000,0.4278,
0.00004284,23.000,0.0010,
0.00004300,300.000,0.0129,
0.00004332,286.789,0.0124,
0.00004359,3550.198,0.1548,
0.00004369,800.000,0.0350,
0.00004394,52.706,0.0023,
0.00004400,20884.600,0.9189,
0.00004440,655.221,0.0291,
0.00004456,224.417,0.0100,
0.00004459,295.392,0.0132,
0.00004492,10000.000,0.4492,
0.00004500,130.000,0.0059,
0.00004513,663.000,0.0299,
0.00004514,1500.000,0.0677,
0.00004555,56340.000,2.5663,
0.00004586,304.254,0.0140,
0.00004678,3045.536,0.1425,
0.00004688,16561.000,0.7764,
0.00004713,313.382,0.0148,
0.00004770,20000.000,0.9540,
0.00004840,322.783,0.0156,
0.00004851,1000.000,0.0485,
0.00004853,8287.000,0.4022,
0.00004889,465.881,0.0228,
0.00004891,200.000,0.0098,
0.00004897,30.000,0.0015,
0.00004924,1000.000,0.0492,
0.00004944,800.000,0.0396,
0.00004948,4705.218,0.2328,
0.00004967,332.467,0.0165,
0.00004971,500.000,0.0249,
0.00004989,476.092,0.0238,
0.00004992,2000.000,0.0998,
0.00004999,500.000,0.0250,
0.00005000,4224.844,0.2112,
0.00005020,4700.000,0.2359,
0.00005094,342.440,0.0174,
0.00005149,1000.000,0.0515,
0.00005168,2199.000,0.1136,
0.00005184,723.000,0.0375,
0.00005220,8537.000,0.4456,
0.00005221,352.714,0.0184,
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Have you looked at coingecko they have some feature for showing estimated real volume. For HitBTC I think they show 10% real volume or so.
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Pretty handy analysis on the coingecko exchange pages.
Hitbtc trust score 7
Reported-Normalized Volume Ratio: 0.189 (ie they seem to consider around 80% of trade volume to be fake)
Bittrex trust score 8
Reported-Normalized Volume Ratio: 1.0
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coinpaprika also have their own algorithm for determining reliability:
Did we just hit ATL?
Not in terms of Euros.
I missed the sub ā¬0.05 opertunity earlier this yearā¦ if we get that low again I will be taking a large amount of maidsafe off the market - maybe some of my newbies also.
With Fleming comming up this price is a steal.
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I have postponed buying a couple of things on Ebay just to put the Ā£ into BTC then MAID
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I think people are liquidating alt coins, including maidsafe to get on the bitcoin bull run thatās arriving in October.
So many YouTube videos are talking about an October eventā¦ you know what I think is happening in Octoberā¦ long term and experienced bitcoin traders will finish taking their profits and bitcoin will drop back down to 4K
Bitcoin have a great media game.
Anyone who is selling maidsafe now might regret it.
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Nah, long road down to what shows as ATL for me. Which was like 3.6 cents USD during the covid crash. Hope me choosing to HODL my ETH right now as well does not backfire, sad to see it breakdown below 400 too 
. I believe we see 20k usd btc again soon and 1k usd eth as well. As for MAID gotta deliver a network before I start to care again about USD value associated to these coins.
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I have been nibbling away at these ridiculous prices 
. Go Fleming
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Trying to get a migration done where we need to burn CounterParty from ~3000 accts and send out matching ERC-20 to 3000 new ETH addresses- Iām VERY happy to see the ETH price drop right now 
We were thinking about just postponing it for a week or so to see if ETH calmed down any. All this ānewā DeFi traffic isnt helping eitherā¦
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Seems like someone really likes 18,000 lines of refactoring. On top of 18,000 more for āslow olā PARSEC, great while ya lasted!ā removal.
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Whatever goes down must come up. Or was that whatever goes up must come downš
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Smells like opportunity to me
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Or maybe he just wants to pump his bag of cosmos
Wow! Someone likes todays update!
Price is upā¦ and bitcoin price is down! Looking good!
I really think bitcoin will head back down to 4K after the pros take their profitsā¦
but maidsafe is going to to really well.
Looking on bitrex there was a huge sell wall at arount 0.00001 BTC last time I checksā¦ last week, around 60,000 maidsafes for saleā¦ itās gone now, either someone ate that wall or the whale decided itās best to keep the coins.
This is whaleā¦
Be like whale,
Keep your maidsafe,
Buy more maidsafe.
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There is no reason in the environment for bitcoin to go to 4k unless it doesnāt act as the hedge it claims to be.
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