Added to the fact that there has been no press release AFAIK, only the normal weekly update.
Sure its big news to us but Joe Geek most likely is not trawling the updates every week.
I have no doubt word will spread over the next few weeks and I trust that within these next few weeks we will have something to show the average Joe Geek.
The regulars are excited cos we know what this means but what we have right now prob wont impress too many at first glance
Lets see where the forum traffic numbers and the price are in 3-4 weeks.
@dirvine
Safe needs to start shouting again on twitter and other channels so people see that Safe is still alive. If Safe doesnât tell people that it is still exists then many probably wonât know about the progress.
Maidsafe have 45k twitter followers but latest post was years ago, safenetworktech only has 2k followers. Maidsafe main twitter channel should be more active when things starts to happen again, maybe even a paid twitter campaign. Many years have passed with no working product. I believe Safe can reach people again, it will probably need some form of action to get peoples attention again when things starts moving with a working alfa/beta product.
I agree @maidsafe should start screaming, soon but probably not yet. I wouldnât even make a peep till there is something stable with an API. Just my opinion though.
I can retweet the tweets I make with the Safe Network tweeter account in the MaidSafe account if no one else is doing it. @JimCollinson what do you think about that?
I meant to mention social aspect too, but I see others have said it. I was even thinking like one of those fancy video presentations again, like the one from 2014, but different (if there is even much different considering the whole original vision being visible again!).
Reminder that this is not how Twitter works. It hasnât for a long time but the situation has worsened under Musk.
Unless you are actively highlighted by the algo (or are one of Muskâs personal likes) you are going to find it easier to get seen on Mastodon than Twitter, even with far fewer followers.
This was my experience with ten times more followers on Twitter than Mastodon, and Iâve seen that repeated by many other accounts including ones with lots of Twitter followers. If youâve got both active itâs an easy experiment to do and so lots of people try it and report the same thing: far more engagement on Mastodon than Twitter even with far fewer followers.
TL;DR: it is almost always better to focus on Mastodon than Twitter unless you are personally favoured by the owner.
Then post similar updates on both platforms, it does not have to be exclusive to one.
Probably because Mastodon is about 100 smaller than twitter.
âWhile 2.5 million users may sound like a lot, itâs not that much when you spread it out over the global platform. Or when you compare it with the 330 million users on Twitter.â"
Mastodon users seems to be mostly people with political motives against Elon Musk. Most people are on Twitter, Safe needs to be where most people are, 45k users should not be ignored.
âThe number of active users on the Mastodon social network has dropped more than 30% since the peak and is continuing a slow decline, according to the latest data posted on its website. There were about 1.8 million active users in the first week of January, down from over 2.5 million in early December.â
âElon Musk drove more than a million people to Mastodon â but many arenât sticking aroundâ
I donât mind Safe using both but focus should be where most followers are. If analytics data can show that both are good or the other is better then that would put things in a different light. As long we never risk the success of Safe for personal motives or ambitions to favor one platform over another.
Your first point is fine but your figures and reasoning after that are wrong, and not just slightly. I donât know where you got that but I suggest you review your method of search and choice of sources.
For example, Mastodon users rose by 1 million in the past month (not falling), to 11 million (not 2.5 million).
The idea they are there to spite Musk is also nonsense. Iâve seen that said, including on Mastodon, but it is obvious fallacy for anyone using the platform. I now have three personas there for different areas of interest. One tech, one general and one niche personal. Iâve easily found active, helpful, knowledgeable communities for different topics in each of these contexts. Thatâs not possible on Twitter. You can follow but you wonât get quality engagement, if any at all except via replies which is very limiting.
You will be able to find Musk haters on Mastodon (as well as Twitter) if you seek that out but that doesnât say anything about the platform as a whole.
IMO Mastodon is superior now in all respects to Twitter except for those elite Twitter accounts who do get exposure, and for those who wish to follow that elite. For almost everyone else it is pointless.
Finally, it doesnât matter how many people are on Twitter if hardly any of them see what you tweet. You donât ignore Twitterâs 330m users by not tweeting, you arenât reaching them anyway.
PS you seem to assume that when MaidSafe tweet, their tweet will appear in the feed of every one of its 45k followers. Hardly any of them will get that tweet in their feed let alone see it because the feed is generated by the algo and largely ignored who you choose to follow.
Just show real world analytics data on posts from Maidsafe on each platform then we have something to talk about. With no real analytics data then it is not possible to believe reach is better on Mastodon than on Twitter. Also suggested a paid marketing camping.
Both articles are from beginning 2023.
How many followers does Maidsafe have on Mastodon and what is the reach number for a regular post?
Yes, I was aware of those pieces at the time and felt they were misleading in their interpretation of the facts, as well as speculative.
As things have played out my sense was correct because as I pointed out, Mastodon has continued itâs growth and is evidently more effective and useful than Twitter except for a small number of accounts as Iâve noted.
If your search methodology is pulling up such outdated and incorrect information then you are going to continue to be misinformed, but again the key point is being missed.
That is that tweets on Twitter do not get seen by followers even with large followings, and accounts with far fewer followers do get seen on Mastodon.
You need to be cautious about analytics here. I give my own experiments and those carried out by others based on actual engagement more weight than say analytics from Twitter because they have been shown to be wrong in the past. They were found for example, overstating engagement to paying advertisers I take Muskâs claims the same way.
Paid promotion is another question and not relevant here.
How many people sees a regular post from Maidsafe on Twitter vs Mastodon? numbers!
Need numbers, before that it is not possible to be anything.
Paid promotion is relevant to my original post and to the subject of marketing needed to gain traction again from people who might have forgotten that Safe still exists.
A like for like comparison is not possible because a) Maidsafe as a company is not on Mastodon b) Mastodon does not provide those analytics. But Iâd agree with @happybeing that per follower you get more engagement on Mastodon - no numerical evidence but it certainly seems that way. Also Musk has said Twitter is going to downgrade anyone who doesnât pay for a blue tick, so that disparity will increase.
Then there is no evidence and no numbers to use Mastodon instead of Twitter. Either focus on Twitter or both but not the other way around. Personal feelings on which has the best reach donât give enough value to base decisions on.
And that is why main focus should be on Twitter, canât hope for maybe Safe will have followers on Mastodon sometime in the future, the progress to market is right now. With 45k followers on Twitter vs 0 at current time, the answer is given, there is nothing to debate. Either use Twitter or both but not the other way around, that would make no sense, is wrong and risk to seriously hurt progress and success of Safe. @happybeing
There is plenty. Iâve given you mine and it is consistent with reports from many others that Iâve seen. Itâs an easily validated experiment for anyone with accounts on both.
Even when Mastodon only had a couple of million users it was the case that the same post on both got lots of engagement on Mastodon and zero on Twitter even though I had 200 followers there and 2000 on Twitter.
That is evidence and it has been backed up by others many times.
I hope you will not be able to risk the success and launch based on feelings and no numbers. Take your personal preferences to your personal project but donât risk the success of Safe on personal bias and feelings. This project is too important and is not to play around with. Very dissapointed at the unprofessional approach by a Social Media Organizer, it is beyond acceptable.
Hope and believe @JimCollinson has in covered and will make the right decisions for marketing towards launch on different platforms with the most reach, based on numbers and similar.
If MaidSafe were to ignore reports from me and numerous others and treat Twitter tweets as effective marketing without considering both the responses they and others get there, or on the alternatives, that would be a shame. But Iâm confident they wonât do that, and that they donât have such a low regard for the experiences myself and others have reported of comparative use of both platforms.
What is odd to me is the vehemence and seemingly dogmatic rejection you have for the experiences Iâve related, both mine and others, based apparently on your own intuition and feelings but no actual experiments.
