Well as I agree with the rule, why have it one, when there is no control at all.
Yep
The amount of rewards you get for doing āXā amount of āworkā (earning beta tokens) is dependant on how it compares with others. Basically I expect the rewards to be like any other competition/prize pool where the top entry gets a much larger portion than if the rewards were given out linearly. In other words a competition/prize system is not 1 reward per āYā amount of āworkā. If it was then your idea would make no difference if multiple IDs or 1 ID.
But like prizes the leaders get a disproportional amount of the rewards than their portion of work would be. The purposes of this in competitions and prizes is to incentivise people to do better than they would normally do, in order to get a higher ranking and gain more for their portion. Without that āunfairnessā humans tend to do āgood enoughā or just a bit better to look better. But introducing a weighted system where the leaders get disproportionately more you find that many will put in so much more effort.
Bringing that back to your 200 IDs or 1 ID but with the same overall amount of āworkā done means the 1 ID will get more rewards than the 200 IDs collectively
Yep, Jim mentioned this in short form a couple of times that its better to put all eggs in one basket than spread across many
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OK, the answer doesnāt give me confidence that I explained the potential problem well.
Let me try again. If 825 people participate in wave 2 with an average of 100 nodes per person that makes 82500 nodes.
If a malicious actor has a capacity for 10k nodes and registers 100 IDs and launches an average of 100 nodes for 1 ID with them, the total number of nodes will be the same.
But if he enters with 1 ID, the total number will be 92500 nodes.
In this case he will be paid more than the others, but because the others are more and the final amount of reward tokens does not change, he will have a smaller percentage of them.
If he reduces the total number of participants even though he will be lower in the ranking and compared to others he will take less per node because the total number of nodes is less he will end up taking bigger percentage of the reward tokens.
Of course, everyone else in the wave will take more per node too, because the total number of nodes will be less, and yes those in the first places will take even more, but this does not invalidate the fact that the malicious person will also take more, although relative to others in the wave he may take less, the important thing is how many tokens he collects in the end.
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Will an average person with a couple of nodes be helpfull in wave one?
Are his nodes not insifnificant to the total because the top players generate so many nodes?
Will it be lucarative for him and will he earn tokens at all?
So if he has 100 of the 825 IDs and all IDs equally earn, then they should all IDs receive equal share of the 500K. 725 people get approx 600 tokens each and he gets 60K approx
But if he is one ID with his 10K then its 92400 (824*100 + 10K) total nodes
So he will win the leader board and get the majority of the prize. Every one else got last place or 2nd place which ever way you look at it. So if 1st place gets 1/2 then he gets 250K and the 824 people get approx 300 each (assumes 1st place is 1/2 the pool and 2nd place is 1/4 and 3rd is 1/8 or similar)
Now if 1st place is less than 1/2 of the 500K then the break even point will be when 1st place only gets like 1/8th the pool (62K). If first place gets less then your extreme example swings in favour of 100 IDs
Of course you give an extreme example. And I was basing it on something like your 10ās of thousands nodes total and biggest one has on the order of 2000 which is like the max weāve seen. So splitting into 100 IDs means he has 20 nodes each ID. This is more likely the scenario. Basically all his nodes are way low behind over half the people and sharing last place (maybe a share of 100K along with all but the top 25) 100/800 * 100 = 12K. If he used only one ID then heād get the first place of somewhere between 1/8 and 1/2 of the 500K
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Thatās exactly what Iām talking about. All these calculations are exemplary. With the amount of bots in Discord, they would easily register 800 IDs and launch 1 node per ID. So my question to @JimCollinson is has this been considered?
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I encourage people to follow @JimCollinson suggestions on playing this fun competition and not be gaming the system. The 1st wave is mostly good people here and I know you want to play right.
I do realise that there will be some in the 2nd or 3rd wave who may try to tilt the balance, but I think my rough analysis above shows it wonāt do too much damage to the good nature of the competition and its takes a lot of committent to run even 500 nodes let alone 10,000 for months. Those with the committent are most likely in the 1st wave anyhow and weāve seen that 2000-3000 nodes is the maximum anyone has realistic been able to spin up for a week or so. Itāll take a lot to run even that number for months. Then to handle 100 discord IDs and manage 100 devices running nodes is a lot of work for little benefit.
So I encourage people to just follow the guidelines. I get it that people will get family to help them and I doubt this will be any issue at all. Personally I doubt Iāll get to run more than 50 nodes on my limited 2 ISP connections and to run datacentre instances is not cost effective in my opinion and I wonāt be. But I know others will be and good on them, that takes commitment
At one node per ID they get a pittance. They would definitely do better to use one ID. And to run 100 devices with one node on them, that will be costly, very costly.
Oh and I get from his responses that it has been considered. Also Iād say if there is no responses in discord then it becomes obvious. Your bots not only have to join the server, get past the agreement to rules (a very large number donāt from the join logs), they then will have to respond to the form to join wave 2. I think you are giving bots too much credit here
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Why does his node count go from 10k to 92400 by having one id?
92400 is total nodes. Not his nodes. 824 people have total 82400 and he has 10k
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What @Dimitar is describer here is gaming things by flooding a wave with fake accounts in order to dominate a wave by crowding out all competition and taking the whole prize pool.
We do have several approaches in order to mitigate this. Itāll likely be a bit of a swiss cheese model. Some of them pretty effective in stopping it, but perhaps too much friction for someā¦ so weād rather not deploy them allā¦ but will see how it goes!
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And you have quite a few names (IDs) already for the top of the list for wave2. So noone can get the whole 850 spots LOL
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Yeah, I donāt foresee it requiring to much mitigation in the first couple of waves. And hopefully itāll just stay fun and exciting and welcoming, as intended!
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Looking at floor space to compete with @aatonnomicc and @riddim.
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Just kidding I am not that competitiveā¦ or am I? Idk 
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Donāt worry - my money flow is pretty limited - so Iām more or less all in already - not much headroom left
Just hoping to be able to afford such a nice programming device as @dirvine and maybe moving to a place where I can get such a nice fibre line you guys have when the network launches 
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I decided that the nodes that I put with friends would be good to be on my hardware so that I can allow remote access to monitor and manage them.
So I bought 15 second-hand laptops LENOVO THINKPAD T470S Core i5-6300U / 8GB DDR4 / 256GB SSD - 155 euros each.
Another plus is that with the same hardware, I will be able to see the differences in internet connectivity of different internet providers. I will use the standard routers provided by the ISP and make guides for them, with which I hope to cover most of the cases that the future operator of a node in Bulgaria will face.
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What a great way to participate! 
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Say hello to SkyAnt
As i have a spare b450 mobo and EVGA 650 PSU the choice was easy to get a used $95 Ryzen 5600G. The plan is to run the setup with remote access with ssh and Wayland for graphical interface. A small problem right now is that the logo on the cooler blocks 1 ram slot for the 32GB setup and if put it the other way it might hit the mosfet heat sink, might have to give the cooler a updated look with the help of a Dremel.
In the future I would like to add a passive cooler that sits on top of a graphene sheet instead of paste for longevity.
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This is super cool to see!! 
It is all coming together 
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@JimCollinson when this all started we needed to say what type of nodes we would provide.
I remember not quite understanding what that meant and submitting 3 forms, 1 for cloud nodes, 1 for linux from home and 1 for windows from home.
That was probably daft but are there categories?
You canāt really tell the difference between cloud and home can you? Would be cool if we could have categories to keep niches exciting.
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You will probably want to have a look at zerotier and nomachine NX for ease of mgmt.
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