Heads up! Beta Rewards are on the way! Time to get prepared!

The waves and pools has been announced already. The waves and pool sizes was announced in the discord stages last week. I even posted a graphic @JimCollinson made to illustrate it (yea a mistake in a figure)

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I have removed the invite until we hear more from Jim.


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Why do you need to hear from Jim? If you want to add people to your discord id and share your rewards with them just do it or add them to wave 2. If it’s about growing the network adding them to wave 2/3 would suffice.

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Because it will reduce the reward of people who have invested significant amounts and if this is a problem for MaidSafe I will not invite anyone.


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Hmm… the more I think of this, the more tricky it gets… Now follows just some rambling thoughts.

Frist, the competition doesn’t actually have any rules regarding the issue at hand, as far as I know. And the design certainly allows for any Discord name to run nodes from several locations. Now, what difference does it make, if in some of those locations the devices and connection is actually owned by someone else and the person actually doing the setup etc. with his Discord name pays a rent for the owners of the hardware and connection?

Then, if thinking of doing it myself, how do I choose which friends I would include in Wave 1, and which to ā€œsacrificeā€ into Wave2, to lift first Wavers higher? From selfish point of view, and thinking only the rewards, it would probably be best to include all the non-techies into my Discord name, and send the capable to the later waves, as they are more likely to be able to set up the operation themselves.

I don’t know, gets complicated. :face_with_diagonal_mouth:

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I get the idea that the program is aimed at increasing the participation. But the fact that the rewards are multiplied and dealt differently from the final design complicates the matters. Would it be better to just go the way the final network works?

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Your way will reduce the investment of the people who have helped build the network by testing and contributing. ( I don’t include myself in this category) inviting people into wave1 who have only contributed fiat isn’t fair to those who have contributed their time and expertise aswell. I’d be happy to drop to wave 2 if there was no space left for me after the more dedicated/active forum members.

This is what I’ll be doing :+1:t2: and splitting the rewards with them, but definitely not advertising to add people to my wave 1 discord id.

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And it would increase the amount of participants and nodes, if every capable would help the less skilled to participate.

But I want to emphatize, that this discussion in brought up by the design of the program, not by Dimitar trying to play foul, or something like that. As we know, you have already been apporached by someone too.

As has been highlighted very well by @riddim and @scottefc86 there is a limit for a reason.

Rewards increase for those who invest significantly not only financially but time sunk into managing those increased resources.

The advertised incentives make both those investments of time and money a risk worth accepting.

When people try to sabotage the program it removes incentive to be at the pinnacle of whats possible.

Then those who will learn and share a wealth of knowledge with others by being there dissappears from the project.

You dont change rules halfway through a program.

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As I said, I will comply with the wishes of the team. I signed up with 1 node and that’s all I’ll start if Jim says it’s a problem to add other people with my ID.


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Even if you do, there is still a possibility that others don’t, and just stay silent about how they proceed.

The design is problematic.

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You can run as many nodes as you like, and where they actually are and how you distribute rewards if some are run by others is up to you.

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I don’t know if even advertising about it would be a problem. You would anyway be the one controlling the payout. How many would trust to some Discord guy promising to share it fairly? Now I’m sure some that already knowing you @scottefc86 would trust you, but would that be such a problem? I don’t see this scaling up that much.

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You don’t need to stick to what you said there… I won’t stick to what I put in the initial form and will end up with way more nodes I put in the forms and still won’t be one of the really large fishes out there … It’s meant to be a competition/game… But just between the people within one wave… And not between waves…

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We don’t want to be overly prescriptive with the ā€˜rules’, but are setting things up to utilise as much as possible the mechanisms that are built into the network and it’s economy for such things. So don’t expect a big list of dos and don’ts and all that.

But, it’s designed to be fun, build some community spirit, and has the aim of giving people the chance for increasing rewards for things other than raw computer resource, that help expand the network and it’s reach… like helping onboard people, and get the message out, and encouraging them to do the same.

So I’d say the spirit of the thing is:

  • Each place in a wave represents one person
  • The more people involved, then more rewards for everyone
  • You are encouraged to offer as much capacity to the network as you can, on multiple devices, and as many nodes as you like.
  • It’d be great if everyone involved helped encourage and aid others to get involved
  • We’d like as many different types of devices, connections, cirtciumstances, setups, experience levels to be involved and find out their journey
  • We want to everyone to be able to benefit, and build this thing together
  • It’s a decentralised project, for individual autonomy, but built and assembled by a community, and fostered and supported collective effort.
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Do you have the exteded battery pack? Internal has 72ah which is only around 10 minutes at 1850 watts.

I just replaced those, mine were no good too.

The external pack is 300ah though which turns it into beast mode.
So a combined 372ah.

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Me neither but if it’s on the forum that an admin will share his wave 1 discord id to anyone it possibly could. I know he’s deleted it but that was what people took issue with.

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Don’t worry, in the spirit of the thing I’ll stick with my original plan and only include close friends and acquaintances.

I know well the feeling of over-optimizing in the purchase of hardware, in 2014 when we were waiting for the network to launch I bought too much hardware, money that if I had invested in tokens would have been immeasurably better, so let’s build the network together :dragon:


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Can you clarify what you mean? How come they will get less since they hold the nodes? Maybe the example with 1 node is not correct and confusing - they can launch 10-20 nodes per ID, instead of launching 1000 nodes with 1 ID, thus reducing the total number of participants into the pool for their benefit by simulating supposedly real people.

@JimCollinson has this been thought of?

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A few calculations to make things clear: 200 real people less in the wave is between 2000 and 20000 nodes less. The question is exactly how much does a person with 1000 nodes get per node compared to someone with 10 nodes and how much will the the profit per node go up if there are between 2000 and 20000 nodes less in total?

This is crypto - Miner Extractable Value exists, I’m sure no current forum member would do such a thing, but when we let in hundreds of new people there will be bad apples among them to outsmart the system.


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The distribution in each wave won’t be linear. So someone with say 10 IDs might lose out over having a single ID with 10 times the nodes.

But it’s beside the point really, the idea is one ID per participant allowed, but many nodes.

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