Would setting a limit to the number of nodes belonging to a certain owner workable? Any nodes after that would not receive nanos. Not sure how easy it would be to set up in a decentralized system though…
I am a bit reluctant to go the VPS way, but today the exponential curve of rewards is prioritizing node count over, say, stability or steadily providing resources to the network.
100% on the mark
im only vps’sing because I have no other option as soon as I can get a descent fibre connection ill be following your lead into the home set up option.
also the loss will be quite tremendous for most vps’s operators and ill bet they go off overnight at the end of rewards.
VPS costs aren’t practical in the long run, probably, and that will be the limiter.
Josh is right that people running VPS for profit will leave, and that’s good. Network collapse isn’t, but I don’t see that being solved by people not running VPS.
I think many will leave regardless, but yes those just running VPS for profit will be first.
The problem though is why will people keep running nodes unless they need SNT for use? We need them to have reasons to acquire SNT, that seems to be the big driver for people to run nodes so VPS is a temporary thing, helpful to scale for beta but then what… ? How do we keep the network large enough, keep a baseload of regular devices runnings nodes?
We need a incentives beyond the beta program and that I think means apps or services which charge in SNT.
Yeah my concern is not about the folk who have been here grafting for years.
It is the passersby in Discord. Just saying the less we mention or promote it there the better.
yes fully agree it should not be held up as a golden ticket.
if anyone is thinking they are getting a ticket to the big time with vps’s they will be in for a shock when they find out how much they suck at this.
and as @Erwin has pointed out we are all on borrowed time before we get throttled out of existence. especialy as more vps people pile in.
im already starting to think i need a plan B
Could you please clarify when use this commands ? I am behind router did not use any of these and it just work fine.
I assumed that the average person wouldn’t set out to run nodes, but a node would be attached to an app they download, that runs on the autonomi network. When they download the app, they’ll get a prompt asking how much space they want to give up on their device, and this would then give them nanos which would allow them to use the app.
That wouldn’t really benefit the network. Nodes may come and go as they please but millions of nodes coming and going and coming and going before they even get the chance to store a chunch doesn’t help the network.
Well they have to get this right if the network has any chance of succeeding. I assume they’ve thought long and hard about this, and have plan!
not guilty
I’ve always maintained that the network will be seeded by datacentres because reality.
I don’t see any difference between clusters inside or outside the home router, when it comes to getting this thing up and robust. Maybe some individuals or entities have deep pockets and just want to help out…the CEO should pursue that avenue.
Otherwise it would fall to the foundation to rent bare metal servers around the world, for as long as it takes (a job position)
There is no shame in using the vast physical and software defined resources that are at our disposal… time to scale beyond Digital Ocean droplets.
Or…you have 45,000+ single vault users at day one as an equivalent of this cluster driven Beta.
I guess if the people who earned rewards during beta want their tokens to be worth anything, it’s in their best interest to keep their nodes up!
I currently don’t use a single VPS and have made sure to have 20+ home node locations (I don’t know the exact number, some people use their own hardware and if it works or not I won’t be able to track until the next waves start and people switch to own Discord accounts).
And although I consider home nodes to be the best solution in the long run (it’s free, you can’t beat free) I plan to promote VPS heavily in the coming months because it allows you to test what it’s like to be an Autonomi Farmer for free.
In Bulgaria we have a saying - Appetite comes with eating - and I believe that after seeing how easy it is to be a farmer, some of the people who signed up for the awards will want to continue being farmers after their free 1-month Azure trial or 2-month trial in DigitalOcean is over.
Privacy. Security. Freedom
Looking at the leader board, it’s been a good strategy.
Well I’m going to divide the reward into 20+ so it depends on which angle you look at it 
Of course the biggest reward for me is seeing the thick nodes line on Jim’s graph to Bulgaria 
Privacy. Security. Freedom
I’m starting to think an autonomi mobile app will be the easiest path to massive adoption AND to maximum decentralization.
1 node per device, most phones are up 24/7, 4g is good enough… I’m not sure about the battery usage though.
I tried running nodes on home network on windows, on ubuntu, on mac, and my biggest trouble so far is not even starting the nodes. Stupidly, it is keeping these machines awake at night! You would think that only configuring the machines to not ever shut down would be enough, but no for some reason it’s not enough. At least mac and windows are giving me a hard time just for that. Either they shut down for no apparent reason or simply the user session is stopped during the night and I don’t know why either. That’s probably just an OS configuration matter of course, but I’m pretty sure an average user will already have a hard time just with that kind of problems.
And more than that, average joe is reluctant to keep its computer always awake at night.
But on mobile … Do we have any hard limitation there ? Apart from apple and google being potentially suspicious ?
You’ll find the settings to never sleep or hibernate is in the power settings.
It should be possible @Josh has already done it once.
Of course. But not enough for some reason. It’s probably just my 2 machines that are behaving weirdly.
Ok I’ll give it a try soon as well 
One issue could be that iOS / android would not easily allow an app to run in the background 24/7
Phones basicaly do wake up, do fast what is needed, go to sleep. Keeping your CPU and data always active will drain battery in few hours.
yep you’re right, battery will be the main limiting factor here. Still interesting to experiment though!