Worried about the "rebranding", anyone else?

Thats your problem - Many of the entirely justifiable fears you mention have been covered in depth in the forum - and I hope dealt with satisfactorily.

Can you expand on this, please? The forum software, Discourse, is used by many projects and while no software is perfect by any means, this is the first complaint I have heard of difficulty with navigation.

Maybe I should just concentrate with what’s happening on the exchanges and keep away from the tech side. :thinking: :slightly_smiling_face:

Just imagine coming back to the forum after years. Change from consensus/sections/elders to simple nodes (again), change in name, change of eMAID, and so on. It’d be so much information to fathom. But really most people upon realising this know its because of the volume of new information and not the forum software, but at first it’d seem to be the forum software.

But still we try to help guide people to the information they need/want. It all starts with reading the opening posts of topics that one is drawn to, that is where the information about the topic is/starts.

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Yes, when you put it like that…

Do we need a sticky message - Start here for new users and long-lost returnees ?
Read this before asking in the forum

thats for Meta

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You have a very new acc.
I mean we all get an opinion, but they cant all be pleased.

Whats done is done, negativity wont help.

As to emaid, the community voted, you werent present.
Even if youd voted no it could have happened.
Thats the great thing about decentralisation.

FYI, the “About” link in the forum header still links to https://safenetwork.tech/ (which contains outdated info, roadmap etc.). Maybe link it to autonomi.com and take down the old website?

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whether we like the rebranding or not, lets have it completed, yes? The following sites still reference the SafeNetwork:

they should either be deprecated or rebranded as autonomi IMO

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Another one is in Bitmart, when you choose “info” from the basic trading view:

Though probably most people that are there already know why the proxy coin for Autonomi’s network tokens is named Emaid.

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I just noticed the re-branding, and the first thing that came to my mind was that (in)famous Autonomy (a company that I’ve known since the late 90s when their domain name was still agentware dot com)

I assume @dirvine is familiar with it, so it should not be a surprise to management and they evaluated the pros and cons of adopting that name.

I’m not worried about it, but perhaps that’s the problem. I think I stopped caring.

At this stage, when I think about accessing this forum, I feel like the chances that I’ll find a “domain for sale” landing page or a launch announcement are about the same. And this time I really though it was the former! And for the record, I never touched my MAID. I already know that’s 2 BTC I’ll never get back :rofl: I only wished that this project could be relevant.

Sorry for sounding so negative. I really appreciate the culture that developed around this project. It’s such a breath of fresh air compared to other projects dominated by toxicity. But in the end, I believe it will have as much utility as a work of art. Hang it on a wall and admire it. I say this with all the affection I can muster for those involved. You’re still the good ones. :heart:

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I’m not sure if this is a serious post, because it sounds like a) a major troll or b) you didn’t know what you invested your 2 btc in back in the days and aren’t up to date of the current progress. Both are a real shame to be honest, but let’s go with Hanlon’s Razor here:

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity

There is a roadmap that has been out since march this year that announced the open public beta in september/october this year and several partnership announcements along the way. The chances of finding the domain for sale vs a launch announcements are no where near 50%, but hey, I’m willing to take the bet, I’ll even give you 2 to 1 odds. Your chance to get that 2 BTC back :wink:

I can guarantee you that when the network is up and running, closed beta or not, there will be a ton of utility projects popping up. I have several ideas myself already to start building on top of the network for real life day to day usage. Others are already building as well. Even if the network will never see big adoption, there will always be niche utility apps that will get used on a daily basis.

I’d recommend to join the Discord and start reading a bit more on the forum to get up to speed with all the progress being made.

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I’ll give you points for passion, but at this stage I take roadmaps with a huge pinch of salt.
Please respect my scepticism, I believe I’ve earned it, along with my 10th anniversary badge.

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Thanks for putting in the effort to come and share your you scepticism.

Be sure to pop back. I’d say about this time next year would be a good date to put in you calender.

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How have you earned it? Because you spent some BTC 10 years ago. If your are sceptical that’s fine but elaborating on why you are sceptical might make your scepticism seem more genuine.

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I accidentally formatted a usb stick with the keys for a wallet with 4 BTC in it.

Not a day goes by that I don’t morn the $120 I lost because of it :joy:

Makes me very sceptical of usb sticks !!!

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2 BTC in 2014, was around … $900 at the time ? That would have gotten you 60k maidsafecoins more or less ?

If you would sell now, you would only have a 3000% return.

(BTW I’m happy to buy for the right price)

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If the network never sees big adoption then it has failed as it was never intended or at least marketed as a niche thing.
I understand the scepticism, but there is nothing I can do other than wait and see and if it has failed, then so be it.

If you believe a permissionless data network that’s private by design & hugely scalable will have no serious utility, why did you invest in the first place?

Yes it’s taken a while, but it was clear 10 years ago that this was an open-ended R&D project with no guarantees.

But, while still nobody else has delivered anything that realises the original vision, MaidSafe now seem pretty close, given the performance of recent test networks.

I agree there is something special & pure about the team & community around Autonomi, but don’t see any reason to see the endeavour as hopeless… quite the opposite! (as long as the team takes internal economics / market dynamics seriously :laughing:)

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Well - actually one could support in development, in documentation, in educating newcomers, in advertising, in running nodes in test networks… Numerous ways of supporting the project and helping it succeed…

But ofc you can just wait and see if it fails too :face_with_monocle: :innocent: :grin:

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I can only support something that I have a technical understanding of and I have f all technical understanding. The development updates mean nothing to me. However I have mentioned this to many people before but when they looked into it, the general response was sounds like a great idea but it’s still not launched so I am not interested until that happens.

That you have. If you still have your OMNI MAID then you have held well.

We have seen a few roadmaps, haven’t we :wink:

One comment I will make, as someone who did R & D s/w development for a number of years, these things do take time and no way around it. Back in the 80’s one project I worked on had been in development 2 years before I joined the team as the 2nd lead engineer and it was like 5 to 6 years more till it was installed into critical equipment infrastructure and ran for many years without fault. My major contributions were the RTOS written from scratch for the h/w, the protocols for comms, and some apps. The RTOS and sync Protocols back then were not something you could get “off the shelf” (libraries) but those took a year to fully write&debug&document

So I have experienced projects that often seem to always be just a couple of years away from finishing and its hard at times to distinguish between ones that will never make it and ones that will work. Sometimes only when it works do you know if they will finish or fizzle out.

Now back to present, the project in my eyes has seen definite & significant progress over the years, yes you could say that is through rose tinted glasses, but I hope its more clear glass by using my over 50 years experience.

We are now seeing beta networks that work, storing data and its the method of introducing tokens that is the greatest failure and the meta programs needing work. The method of introducing tokens is the fudge method to get tokens into the network that causes so much problems and the live network won’t need that since the tokens will exist from the exchange process.

As to roadmaps, I think to myself did an engineer write them, if so multiply time frames by 4. If a financial person wrote them then they got the figures from either nowhere or from an engineer so multiple by 8. x8 because financial people always half the engineer’s estimate. Its a waiting game for those of us who are not in the middle of the code writing.

In a couple of weeks we will be starting the major beta testing program, a real beta since the betas to date have done quite well bar people removing 1/3 of the nodes at once LOL.

tl;dr You do have to judge for yourself how you feel about the project, its not up to us to tell you :wink:
I do feel that the project has definite & significant signs of progress in what was essentially a R&D s/w project.
And the beta program does start in a few weeks in June sometime when the logistics of working with beta testers is finalised (mostly done already)

If you have held all this time then another 6 months waiting for the launch date isn’t going to be much of a stretch.

Good luck with whatever you decide and whatever you do in real life.

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