the link I just posted: Sn_httpd - Serving Autonomi data over HTTP - #26 by Traktion
there’s a small howto, you have to start a docker container with the proxy and you can access very rudimenary webpages through it.
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Instead of papers, how about petabytes of research data ? Right now researchers usually don’t have the funds and knowledge to keep that data online themselves, and no one in their right mind would fund keeping that data online forever so that in 12 years some guy at an obscure Korean university can have another go at it.
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That was the original vision but it isn’t really applicable now. Firstly the API doesn’t support this, and maybe never did I’m now thinking. But more importantly, such apps need to be frictionless and Autonomi have poured an incredible amount of friction into any app that anyone cares to build - in the form of blockchain adoption blockers.
I would think it has to be inside out thinking. The web site itself uses an App to build the knowledge about itself and there has to be some way to “submit” their site(s) to the global knowledge.
No central authority like Google, but many Apps able to tap into this global knowledge of the Autonomi web.
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@happybeing I think you’ve been caught in a bit of a pessimism loop. I really don’t think the blockchain integration is as bad as you describe.
There are a lot of folks in the crypto space who want decentralisation. OG blockchain folks wanted it more than anything.
The current API lets us download videos just fine too. The last version was easier to stream data with (chunk by chunk), but I’m sure that will return, with an easier interface too. It’s certainly easier to download file and their archives now.
Having to either host for ANTs or buy a few isn’t really a big deal, imo. It is easy enough tonset a system variable and upload with the CLI at the moment.
For me, the big challenges seem mostly solved. It is now more about executing on tooling and getting app devs excited. The absense pof a native currency to start with doesn’t really change that much. I’m confident that native currency and nano payments will arrive soon enough anyway - which will unlock another round of cool apps.
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To be fair, the websites don’t have to be basic. It’s just that folks haven’t uploaded complex sites yet.
IMIM blog is an angular site which coverts markdown blog pages to a single page app rendering them. Once I get angular up to date again, I’ll showcase that too.
You can upload json files as mini databases easily. You can be creative with data formats.
As more folks start to push the boundaries, i think folks will be surprised by what we can already do.
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2025 will be the year of the comeback of geocities webrings 
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Some big challenges have been solved. The fundamentals, if they are still important, require mass adoption and accessibility by almost anyone with a connection.
That is the challenge now, and ERC20 has made it as big a challenge or more than building the network in the first place. I’m not stuck in pessimism, I’m realistic.
Show me the strategy and plan for getting the network into the same state it would be if there was only a native token, once we have a network where everyone is using the ERC20 token. Nobody has attempted to do this and I think people see me as pessimistic because I am voicing concerns based on having thought about it. Maybe I’m not clever enough to see how it can be done, so please, someone who believes it can, explain how.
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I rely on the fact that ERC20 will not be able to handle 100s of millions of people running nodes and many times more uploading.
So for the network to progress beyond a certain size it has to go to native token as the only way to pay for resources.
Any bridges are just to go from ERC20 to Native, but that should only be for exchanging the ANT ERC20 into Native one way only in my opinion. The Native has to live in the real world on its own feet or else we run into the trap again of being block chained based. If people want to build bridges to exchange native for a crypto coin then thats on them and I am sure will happen anyhow. The network will not survive under the current simple Ant design if you try to have 2 different tokens to pay for uploading. It’ll see some nodes rejecting the other tokens leading to fracturing of the data
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Wouldn’t the simplest thing be once native goes live all network-internal payments/rewards go native? Then wouldn’t we want a two-way bridge into and out of native from the ERC20 if only to connect to fiat? If that’s seamless then native runs the network and ERC20 is a 1:1 bridge to the outside. At least until native gets that bridge directly to fiat.
I am more hopeful than ever that the laws/rules impeding the native token may loosen. It seems that many of those originate from the US and its central bank. Like it or not the dollar is the world’s reserve currency and US banking regulations dominate. But a crypto-friendly administration could change all of that. Autonomi will be going live at the same time these crushing regulations may start to relax.
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Also to utilise any other ERC20 infrastructure, e.g. hardware wallets, dexs, defi stuff.
Completely swapping to native on the network might be a challenge for handling the smart-contract token releases & other smart contract functions that are planned, but these shouldn’t inhibit the usage of Native ANT for paying nodes etc.
Of course if native can have smart contract capabilities it could potentially completely replace ERC20 for on-network payments… not sure how likely that is though.
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100% this! It will be a necessity for small payments and uploads too, where the gas price is a blocker.
If the ERC20 token did everything already, I’d say it was less likely to happen. Ofc, that would be a positive in its own way too though.
There is no reason to be hostile to blockchain or crypto. It got many of us here and many of the goals in the space align.
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Exactly this too! Pragmatism is getting us towards the launch date.
I’m certain the native token will come, but it’s obvious that a lot more work needs to be done. Not just for the token implemention, but the supporting apps and infrastructure.
I’m happy we’re launching soon with ERC20, while dev continues for native. Many apps will still be great on Autonomi and well beyond what the competition is able to deliver.
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I am not so much hostile, but rather like to see the network regain its “not a crypto project” back to 100% without a “but this” Just like it was said a bit ago, officially, that Autonomi is not a crypto project. Except when the statement was made there was a but added at that point, it uses crypto for its token.
I guess if Gas was not a problem and if a blockchain could handle the transaction rate of billions of transactions from one source (Autonomi) then maybe it’d be fine for the world wide network.
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Absolutely. I appreciate your positivity in the light of all the progress and promise… it seems some pessimists who see themselves as realists are bringing down the tone in here too much, so your comments are a breath of fresh air 
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This is what shocks me with the erc20 is crypto take, so what. The native token is also a “crypto project” in folks eyes. It’s a digital currency, so it will be called a crypto currency, by people regulators and everyone you can imagine.
That aside for a non crypto project the currency part seems to have caused a mass, “you have deceived us”, accusation. It may be me, I am much less concerned with the money side, beyond a mechanism to share/sell/buy resources, it was always the case we needed that, it started with a currency way before bitcoin, reverted to a shared certificate, back to a crypto coin with the ICO and so on. But it was always there.
So the absolute focus on the currency is quite an eye opener for me and I am not defending or prescribing here, I just mean I am shocked by it.
To me this was never about the currency but about the utility of the network, that ability for folk anywhere to use it, earn more resources and so on, but the huge focus on what currency without a basis on the technical capabilities or functions they cna provide really does shock me.
I am not anti money at all, far far from it, money is essential, I have said so many times, profit follows value, shareholders have been essential, people engaging in the network will be essential.
The amount of talk on here now about money feels like 99% what currency and 1% what will the network do. That is where I feel we have somehow gone down some path and somebody has shouted fire and we are all over the place banging into walls when the goal was only meters away from us.
I would really prefer we focus on what the network can do and what can we build with it. The currency does not affect that beyond a level of scale we might hit and require native or a tx fee that makes it slightly more expensive. But the actual features we can offer are just not being focussed on and that is where all this conversation is just so distracting.
The currency does not change registers/transactions/chunks API or any of those features, but there is very little for us on this apart from accusations/declarations of it all being broken now and none of that has changed. So it’s quite bonkers IMO
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In this aspect, I think a portion of the community has lost its way because we were all sold on a very defined ( anti-blockchain) vision. We were not intentionally duped or lied to, we shared the belief that blockchain wasn’t and isn’t sustainable for data storage. But the fact is, it is at least for now, sufficient at transacting. Not as quickly as a native token and the reliance on erc-20 is seen as a weakness to us OG’s.
That is just what is required though. That is the reality and it is a small compromise for an earlier launch. It is a mere stepping stone and it will come with benefits of migrations and cross network utility, beyond the negatives some are focusing on.
As long as the native token is promised and delivered within a reasonable time frame, I think it’s time to stop whining and getting in our own way because now, this is the way.
Say it with me. “This is the way”.
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This I can understand for sure. Initially btc/eth were nowhere close to being capable.
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Also a lot of our talk over the tokens is along the lines of technically how do we use the network, and how using one token over the other, or together will work. I think it was appearing as that $$$ was our focus/motivation, but really it was trying to get our heads around just how to use the network and the technical side of that.
We have spent 10 years talking of the beautiful logic and technicals of the network and this is one area that is new and not quite fully fleshed out yet, so it will be a focus of some of our discussions.
For me at least there is not really any consideration of what its going to make me, and hasn’t been a consideration really for years. Its the technical side of how to use this new/changed aspect and feel this aside has been misread as being our complete focus of the network. I hope the years of talking/discussions of the technicals of the network outweigh the discussions recently of how to use this new way with the token to pay for resources.
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