I don’t think you will get an answer to this because it embarrasses the whole community. Just fork out a hundred dollars for ETH and hope for the best , thats it I’m afraid. Native token is years away, if ever.
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I agree, but that isn’t possible. I ran nodes 24/7 for a month. I got 0.7 ant. And from what I read here, you need to pay 1$ in ETH for every 1gb upload. A proportional part of the network should be free to those offering resources. Autonomi’s success will do more for ETH holders than it will for ANT holders or autonomi users. Until we move away from blockchain I don’t see much practical mileage in the network except for crypto traders.
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Year 1 for core tech, year 2 for native token, year 3 rollout. Seems plausible.
It’s the best we have for now. It will unblock lots of apps that need smaller data, just not bulk uploads.
I’m not really sure what else folks expect.
We don’t have native token. If the team could make that a reality soon, I’m sure they would. They have said they will work on it as soon as the core network is stable.
So do you (and others) just want a winge? Do you just want to vent at the injustice of it all?
What do you expect will happen in response? What will make you happy? How can you help it to happen?
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To be honest, I don’t really care if blockchainophobes stay on the sidelines until Native arrives, which I hope is not too long.
There’s a huge market of people who are comfortable with blockchain and want security, privacy, and freedom / a decentralised internet that works well.
That market is more than enough to get Autonomi on a good trajectory ahead of it being ready for broader adoption with Native token.
I think the user experience is the big issue for now. Once that’s significantly improved, blockchain-natives are a low-friction market to reach out to first.
Once the user experience is great, and the network performing well at an increased scale, I hope work on Native will become a top priority to simplify use & fix the tokenomics (i.e. the ETH tax on every upload that, unless things change, will make bulk uploads uncompetitive and constantly take value out of the Autonomi ecosystem).
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Reckless, fact-free hyperbole.
How many nodes did you run?
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some grok musings …
“Advances in AI over the next 6 months will likely help address the “if ever” problem by enabling faster design, prototyping, and validation of a novel non-blockchain native token for the Autonomi Network. Improved generative AI, reinforcement learning, and security tools could produce viable concepts and partial prototypes, increasing confidence that such a system is achievable. However, completely resolving the uncertainty within 6 months is unlikely due to the need for real-world testing, community adoption, and the inherent complexity of the task. AI will be a critical enabler, potentially shifting the timeline from “several years, if ever” to “1–2 years with high likelihood,” but human expertise and iterative deployment will still be essential.”
not grok …And considering the community is (to be fair) less developed ( in size,not quality) than the tech (although a lot more so now with Bux, Jim and Gill content, ,just needs sharing more) everything seems to be on target ,with (potentially) a twenty four month runway to feature complete network (12-24 months being grok speculation) to build up communities of support and still allow talented people to produce cool stuff right now, regardless of blockchain limitations and friction.
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ETH fees are the blockchain fees, and goes to the blockchain “workers”
ANT goes to the Autonomi node runners that the chunks are being uploaded to
The blockchain route was seen as a way to give more time for the new transaction data types to be introduced, then the native token using that. Not a fast process. AND in addition for the network to prove itself that it will not lose any transaction that needs to be kept to validate child transactions.
Its a burden for sure and one I don’t fully agree with but in the end it has allowed the network to be launched quicker with further development processing making the network function much better. I’d say the native token development is going slowly at this time since the effort is in making the network iron clad data storage wise.
Lets see what progresses from here
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Blockchain isnt a way to start the network, it means its growth is going to be slower (because only blockchain enthusiasts will use it) . The network could be free and voluntary until native is wrking, and i bet it would have more users and reach. Nobody is even making any money on the ANTS right now. So what was the problem with making it voluntary p2p?
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Do you know something I don’t? The team has not given any timeline at all. No estimate. No plan. Why not?
Four. (~100gb). I mean this is supposed to be run on ANY device: phones, tablets but only people with hundreds of nodes can earn anything useful enough to earn enough for uploads. Autonomi is not a decentralisd network because most people do not have ability to run hundreds of nodes. Even with a decent desktop and large hard drive. I can’t even upload one blog, after running nodes for a month without paying huge fees. Its nothing like what it claims to be in their marketing, and it isnt approaching it from what I see. If I can’t upload anything even when donating decent resources without paying whales (and only whales get paid), what exactly is the decentralized aspect? why would anyone ever donate their phones resources?
Instead of moaning, why dn’t you get tore in and help test what we have already got?
THen you will get a better idea of where we are at, what is likely possible, who will produce it and why some things will take longer.
I am as frustrated as you and the rest of us. I deal with it by getting involved and possibly gaining a deeper insight than a cursory skim of the forum. Whether the first code for Native Token appears in a matter of weeks or several months, it will need battle-tested by as many folk as possible. They are the ones who will have first adopter knowledge, wil know just what works, what nearly works, what is downright clunky and need work and what just wont work.
These are the people who will go on to earn by advising others on the adoption of the network.
Be one of these people.
RIght now instead of moaning pointlessly in the middle of th night, you could be testing the CLI version of Colony :IF: Colony - Command line edition. RELEASED, now in color! - #2 by zettawatt
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Eventually, yes, but now network is empty, so it costs almost zero ANT to store.
This is in my view avoidable bad tokenomics (excessively low base ANT upload cost, excessive nodes due to emissions), but it’s temporary until the network starts to fill, because the ANT price of uploads is set by the level of node fullness and earnings will rise as nodes start to fill.
The network will start to fill once the user experience is better & more people start using the network, so getting stuck in helping that process will do more to help than just complaining.
The current situation with borked tokenomics & little upload activity shouldn’t be used to judge the merits of running nodes to earn & upload to the network once the network is properly growing with a functional market for resources.
ant is currently on the Arbitrum L2 block chain so you can buy swap transfer it on that network. if arbitrum network is selected in meta mask your earned ant will show up in there.
currently running 750 nodes will earn about 4 ant per day so at that rate you could earn enough ant if some was swapped for gas to upload a gigabyte of data in about 14 days for permanent storage.
also we have some one with a wallet that started at 3 million ant selling up and suppressing the price so this could be the best opportunity you will ever have to buy some cheep coins 
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Because in don’t want to have to keep a record for HMRC of every file I upload , how much it cost, (in both ANT and ETH) and record the time and date I did it. For every single file. Are you doing that? Because it is a legal requirement in the UK.
I have been writing code in the hope of forking it. But I get bogged down and fed up trying to test anything because of the crappy ( and expensive) crypto wall. Its not yet clear to me if the network itself is secure/private/anonymous/trustless which was its most unique and important feature (a SAFE network) It absolutely is not the case while the crypto part is implemented for uploads. I am not whining for the sake of it, I’m trying to understand where the hell this project is going because so far it doesn’t meet any of the marketing claims - it is not for everyone, you can’t use it on any device (using phones resources is not gonna be a thing, ever), you can’t get paid for sharing resources on a high end PC (unless you are a whale with hundreds of nodes), its not really decentralised, its not blockchain free, it might not be private, secure or anonymous and there is no native token. But more importantly for me - there is no roadmap to address any of these issues. Which implies this isn’t just early stage teething problems - and its been around for 13 years. Meanwhile the autonomi marketing team makes some bold claims to the public that the network is something it is not. So before I knuckle down into the project I want to know if it has a real future, because it does have many of the hallmarks of a crypto scam.
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Fair enough
No I am not keeping records for HMRC. HM can ram his records up his slack inbred fundament AFAIAC
In reality, I doubt any of us are spending/moving >£100 at this time
In my thankfully limited dealings with HMRC, an honest attitude and showing that the sums involved are (as yet) miniscule and nowhere near anybodys personal allowance has worked well.
Maybe I just got to talk to the one decent human being in the entirety of HMRC..
You sound like the ideal candidate to help test Impossible Futures
Autonomi Transaction Reporter
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I think this is a good point.
HMRC are interested in the capital gains, as they can tax that. If the activity is low and well within your allowance, I doubt they would be very interested. Technically, yes, but in reality, it wouldn’t be worth their time to validate it.
If you mined coins and then spent them directly on storage, I suspect you would be in the clear either way (not financial advice though!), as that is their purpose. It’s an IOU for storage. Much like if you had a gift card, but the goods halved in price in a sale or doubled in price due to inflation, HMRC isn’t going to come looking for capital gains/losses. Especially as you can’t refund your tokens from giving back the storage - it’s a one way ticket.
Where HMRC gets interested is when you’re farming/mining and/or trading tokens as an income.
Ofc, not financial advice, but buying tokens (like widget co gift cards), which can only be used to buy storage on autonomi (items in widget co), isn’t really what HMRC are interested in, imo.
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I realize many wont bother, and its trivial for now, But the legal issue around tax will need addressing if the network is going to succeed. Burying heads in sand won’t help the network. I think it needs addressing now, before the issue is forced by regulators. If we removed blockchain wall, kept the network voluntary - usage proportional to to resources donated - it would be simpler for development and users, more accessible to everyone, so user base would expand quicker, and most importantly it avoids this issue with regulators and peoples fear of using crypto. Time can be spent on native token as network expands (that may bring its own legal issues but the network will be well established then)
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and as I showed you already, its being addressed RIGHT NOW by @ambled with his Autonomi Transaction Reporter.
So contact him, help him test/develop it and give the rest of us peace from your negativity.
I look forward to your reports and hopefully you sharing his announcement that ATR is now in need of some more real live data for further testing and feature expansion.
Not going to happen - trust me and everyone else involved on this.
We may not like it, we may detest it with every fibre of our beings (even the happy ones) but it is here to stay for the foreseeable.
Of course if you REALLY want to help, sponsor a few weeks of @loziniak 's time to get us motoring towards Native Token. #JustAThott
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