Wow, ~$1/Gb in gas. Thanks for reporting back! The sooner we squash this ETH parasite, the better.
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Strategies for getting some of the best minds in token design involved with the native token? Being that itâll operate on its own data network, itâs an opportunity to do truly next gen work.
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I really donât get the lack of urgency from the team on native.
Even if thereâs little bandwidth, surely employing 1 or 2 extra people to focus on work that will slash the cost of Autonomiâs offering, give ANT utility, as well as possibly enhance performance & privacy of the network seems like a no-brainer to me.
3x 1m ANT prizes as a bounty for successful native token implementations with set criteria to meet would likely get a few more devs involved to greatly leverage any Autonomi team effort.
Saying that, I know I donât have all the info the team does, and I know they do see native as important & trust theyâll prioritise it at the right time.
It seems all the community can do is support Loziniakâs efforts and push forward any other ideas that might contribute to nudge native forward.
It would be great to get some big brains on this⌠the more the merrier. Sadly I have no idea who that might be, or how to get their attention.
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I like the idea of a formal, methodical plan and bounty program. While the teamâs been mostly silent on native, my hope is that their focus is on core network tech for now, but soon will shift/add native token in the same way. Looking at the impossible futures program, hopefully they do the same with a native token bounty program.
What if we combine it with guerilla token promotion? In short, if we go to where bitcoin, ethereum, and other token devs hang out (IRC, mailing lists, or?) and invite them to join the token design efforts, it also serves to spam the network/ANT and maybe get some OG big blockers buying in in addition to contributing to native token design.
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I wonder what the queue of âpartners waiting to uploadâ think of those prices.
This is the first footshot from the switch to blockchain that I failed to predict. Everything else was obvious but I did think theyâd manage to work around this one.
I really hope this doesnât lead to special deals for big uploaders, further moving us away from a network for everyone.
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Core tech fixes â uploads unhindered technically â blockchain integration proven cost-prohibitive (you are here) â native token â uploads unhindered economically and finally
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Me neither. I havenât been frequenting the forum lately, so maybe I just missed out, but I have never seen any support/encouragement for Loziniakâs effort from the team. In general, the community/team communication dynamics have changed tremendously in the past year, so maybe itâs all par for the course, but I do feel a lot of nostalgia, haha.
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Maybe itâs just that once the native is in, the network really needs to be self-sufficient and on a different level of certainty of data permanence. Because once thereâs no outside reference for token data, the stakes are much higher in my opinion.
So getting the data flows and data permanence is just much more urgent?
But I do agree that the native is a must. For example, I donât see the economics working for anyone to farm enough ANT to cover upload ANT + GAS for any significant amount of data. At least not on a network as empty as it is now.
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Yes, core network performance is of course more urgent and top priority.
The team has been very well focused on this, and rightly so.
Theyâre doing a fantastic job & Iâm sure once network performance & stability is such that they feel they can direct more resources towards native token development they will do so.
I just like the idea of having native token development happening in parallel so that once the network performance blocker is out of the way (doesnât seem far off from my limited perspective), the economic blocker takes less time to remove as more groundwork will have been done.
I guess in reality, the UX is probably the biggest blocker short term for new people getting involved, and itâs great seeing community devs making progress on that side of things.
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why does it cost so much in gas fees? Is that the gas fees to convert eth to ant, or it to pay the storage itself?
for the transactions to pay the nodes for chunks it mounts up unfortunately but i believe the team are looking at other options for large uploads from what is being said in the update.
Where can I go to understand the mechanics of what I have to pay in ANT and ETH gas fees in order to upload data to the network?
Why do we need the blockchain connection? Is it just to allow people to buy ANT that way?
If I am running a node and I earn some attos, does that show up in my metamask wallet, or do I have to bridge it over for it to show up in the metamask wallet? How many nodes do I need to be providing in order to earn enough ANT to pay for one node worth of storage on the network?
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@Toivo and @DavidMc0 have it right here.
However I repeat my call for @loziniak to be offered consultancy rates for the next few months and a small dedicated Native Token team to be setup by Autonomi ASAP.
I believe it is verging on criminal not to be taking fullest advantage of the talent and commitment that is evident from the community.
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Why we need eth for use ant
For arbitrum gas fees
We should not involved other project to in this if we are comparing to btc. We canât even cross eth .. eth use case just will increase to use the platform ant will be secondary.
Reliance on ETH / Arbitrum is a temporary measure to allow the network to get going ahead of a native token being ready.
The team stated that getting native ready & tested sufficiently for it to be considered secure, and to try to persuade exchanges to adopt a new token standard using a novel non-blockchain system would be an uphill battle & delay the project launching significantly.
So if they wanted to launch ASAP, they needed the currency to be based on a tried and tested standard.
While itâs annoying in some ways, it means the network is now officially launched, and itâs possible to pay to upload & developers can get cracking on making apps for the network that will have a real economy once the user experience is good & nodes start to fill up.
I hope it wonât be too long before native token is developed, though I expect the Arbitrum version of ANT will live on alongside Native ANT for smart contract usage & for storage while trust in native builds.
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Its not the network/cli bit, but ETH, ANT, ERC20, Arbitrum, Metamask -BLOCKCHAIN - that is the complex, tedious and also risky bit (dealing with money, banks, shady exchanges, ID etc). Blockchain puts me off experimenting with autonomi, Iâve also been following for a decade but I wonât code anything with blockchain in it - its ugly and risky. Did I mention most people in the world wonât touch crypto because they either donât trust it or donât understand it, or donât want to take financial risks. Its a lot of potetntial peeps that will not go near Autonomi until the blockchaio wall is removed. I have complete sympathy with @Lisa_Brown but even a slick UI wonât fix the blockchain tedium/revulsion.
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I think the earning ANT and just spending ANT will help. Then you donât really need to know what ANT is or how it moves - if you have enough, you can pay for storage.
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