No need for a link. The GPL only applies if you need to take a library and modify it. Like a web browser accessing Linux, the Linux license doesn’t stop someone writing a closed source browser.
This is also the case linking with the MaidSafe libraries I believe, but with the launcher as a service, you aren’t even linking the libraries - you’re just writing a stand alone application that accessed the API over a (local machine) network connection.
I don’t believe that’s true. Linux kernel has a specific exception for modules that were derived outside of it… but that’s a moral exception by Linus. He could have prohibited them if he wanted.
In general, that is the reason why some devs use LGPL so that proprietary programs could like to it. GPL does force all derivatives to use GPL and apps that use SAFE Network will also need to be GPL’d.
You have me doubting myself now! 
I am sure you don’t need to have licence to use an API is essentially what I’m saying - so anyone is free to build a closed source app for SAFEnetwork. I’m sure David has said that explicitly, but it’s also my understanding of how copyright and licensing law works - you can’t limit what people do with an API. Corporations have tried, and it’s always been thrown out. Good thing too!
I think we should check with David or Nick if you are still not convinced.
I think, well I did think, it’s the same if you link with the MaidSafe compiled libraries. This needs checking though as you’ve raised a doubt in my mind on this point.
Whatever the case, we should make sure it’s clear on the new website and the wiki! I don’t relish trying to find it on the forum
EDIT: I suspect the difference with your Linux example is that’s the equivalent of forking the network - creating a modified version - in which case yes you have to share changes unless there’s an explicit exception as you point out.
I’m saying it’s different if you build an application that uses the API - even if it links with libraries. Say I created an editor for Linux, or one that uses the SAFE API. I can keep it closed source if I like.
Ok. I see where you’re coming from after looking into it more. It comes down to static vs dynamic linking and also what RMS/FSF interprets copyleft to permit vs what courts interpret it as.
Useful link. I always forget what a minefield licensing is… just creating and using dlls was complex enough
That’s a useful link, thanks.
I think MaidSafe’s position was to not try and enforce open source on Apps anyway though, so regardless, I think they would/will make the libraries needed to access the API either dynamic - or the licence for those linkable binaries more permissive. Need checking though.
Wow, this is amazing progress! I love the UI, and customization. We should fork their code, and integrate into safenet! I don’t want to use open bazaar with clearnet IP. I would be subject to taxes, and such.
You’re subject to “taxes and such” no matter where you use it.
What you actually mean is you could not as easily avoid paying “taxes and such”.
But it’s not like you’d be anonymous with MaidSafe. You still need to ship or take delivery and (ultimately) move funds out of SAFE, and I hear @dallyshalla’s Safex is going to be strict with AML. 
Means testing is always both a strategy to stigmatize, scapegoat and keep people down but also a strategy to defeat aid. A BI is best when concieved in light of gradually defeating all forms of work and aiming at full unemployment as Arthur Clark had in mind. Employment is wrong and idiotic. Think of how rudiculos it is that people in this age of automation have to look for some one to employ them. Its like: will you please tell me what to do!
@janitor, that just depends on your jurisdiction, and we won’t filter for that; but if people plan to be “legit” then they should simply adhere to the “legit” standards for their place of business.
If you’re in some nation that doesn’t care about anything in terms of tax etc, and youre a citizen there and no usa or whatever… im not sure if one such country exists but if you were, and your funds all showed up there you wouldnt bother trying to use any special interface that you track your own transactions with. because you don’t need to and in that situation you could use any version you’d like;
however it’s a good idea to also let people use the application that also caters to the nation they intend to subscribe with and make that available too
To be fair, Grizmo could just go → safecoin → safecoin tumbler - > bitcoin → art/real estate → cash out
and he’d be good to go. That’s how drug dealers do it anyway.
Yeah but safecoin>bitcoin>cash is where the Taxman comes for his cut…
I think you’ll have to take the Polo route, unfortunately. Someone does something bad and your exchange is implicated, then it’s your problem. I don’t think it should be that way, but “they” will do anything to squeeze the last tax cent from the serfs.
You know depending on the scale of things you want to do and the level of anonymity you want you could always just try selling safecoin directly to local buyers for cash. Yes they’d know who you were but all they’d know is they’re buying some safecoin from you. I mean yeah selling a couple thousand dollars of it might be noticeable but if you do it in $20-$50 chunks over a variety of individuals over a period of time and switch your safecoin address it lowers the risk. You’re just another safecoin user.
Also selling things like art or such things locally results in fewer taxes. I’m a part of several local buy and sell groups and there’s plenty of local commerce tax free. No one bothers with taxes when you’re just buying and selling for cash person to person. But then the question arises how did you come by this valuable widgit? And again anything physical needs to be shipped.
That all stands, but the bottom line is you need to book all income as income and then depending on the individual circumstances that may or may not be taxable. That’s how it works in most places.
You may (even today as you say) be able to “simplify” your reporting and taxes and the same is with bitcoin and tomorrow with SAFE, but one can’t claim that using bitcoin or cash frees him or her from the burden imposed by the government. (That’s why the only way to put an end to this nonsense is to get rid of the government, but that’s a story for another topic).
You still need to ship or take delivery
There will be a decentralized uber style anonymous shipping service in the next few years.
Taxes will go bye bye by 2020, I hope.
Also the year Kurzweil predicts Governments of today will be no more. Interesting 
Hmmm. I hope you’re right but I bet you’re wrong about taxes.
In the West healthcare is #1 budget expenditure so you’re saying 1-2 elections from now politicians will magically stop collecting taxes because 70% or so of those who vote and enjoy healthcare currently subsidized by others will simply give up on their fake “right” to health care?
I don’t think so. We’ll have to pry it from their greedy little hands and it won’t take only 4 years. For that to happen, governments must be destroyed.
For the same reason governments with fight anonymous tax-avoiding shipping companies. If any changes in the area of taxes and shipping happen, they will be for worse.
A lot of things can happen in the next 4 years. We’re in the beginning of the global depression. The federal reserve has been delaying the depression for over 100 years now. It’ll come down really hard and when it does, it will be a slap in the face unexpectedly.
As for the healthcare, uber style doctor-clients will be released in the next new years. Everything will become privatized thanks to decentralized blockchain, and safenet. Once people shift over to this system, it’s over for the godvernment run healthcare.
Sure, the godvernment will throw tantrums here and there, throwing people in jail over stupid things, but they can’t stop it.
I subscribe to that opinion as well, but I suspect it won’t happen that quickly.
On the, “tax liability reduction” issue, there’s also the option of incorporating in a country you don’t reside/do business in, and if you’re an American serf, labeling everything as a business expense, aka how the rich guys ditch taxes.
On the depression topic, IIRC, the dollar has supposedly been on the brink of destruction since I was in high school (~10 years), so I’m getting a passport and a gold denominated debit card, but I’m not holding my breath. Though I do see the government cutting back on the welfare, taxes, and regulations so the cows can make some milk again.
Going the exact opposite as we speak, but the elimination of all taxes is the only way to avoid impending disaster.