At some point some of this decentralized replacement rubber will hit the government monopoly road but I think the last decade has shown that governments are still pretty good at playing the crisis manufacture game, now they are stacking crises on top of crises. War, terror, refugees, viruses, what next? I think they’re stable of believers keeps shrinking, but it’s hard to say when the momentum of better ideas will overcome the inertia of the status quo and all the economic interests built on top of it. Things look promising and things look absolutely terrible at the same time. I think I may have paraphrased someone. Off topic question: Does “now” always seem like that?
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I think “now” hasn’t been so bad since before the WW II.
We’ll be lucky if the lies, mass immigration, NIRP and other crap they do remain key parts of their program.
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Funny thing though, is Canonical’s approach of adhering to the letter of the GPL while circumventing its spirit (that software should be easily forked), by inserting their trademark (Ubuntu) in every nook and cranny of the package and then threatening to sue anyone who modifies their distro without removing every last mention of the trademark. Considering that Ubuntu is mostly a reskinned Debian, that takes some brazen gall to do. And it makes Mint all the more admirable, because the Mint people finally did exactly that (fork Ubuntu), and is now the third most popular OS after Windows and OSX.
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Not at all.
That is exactly how GPL is supposed to work.
It seems you like it when it prevents people doing from what you don’t like, and not when it doesn’t.
Why do you care about Ubuntu at all?
You don’t seem to be against content copying (with trademarks, without or any combo thereof) - apparently you like Mint and SAFE the platform - so why does it bother you when someone does it according to the license)?
Lol you’re counterdicting yourself. Why didn’t Mint fork Debian instead of a Debian copy distro that adds nothing, Ubuntu?
I think the issue is involuntary unnecessary work and that taxes are just a symptom.
I had a epiphany in reading the book Fields of Blood. Armstrong (Karen, not Martin) uses the term from sociology “Structural Violence,” but uses it specifically to say that starting with agriculture we had structural violence at the very root of society in form of: you work and work a lot harder so me and mine don’t have to work. And this is the core sentiment of every centralized, top down, hierarchical authoritarian structure be it corporate, state or religious. This is exactly what society runs on. This thought is like its fractal base. It is the endless aim and obsession of conservatism to protect and shore up structural violence. But it is now utterly feckless because cars can drive themselves and we can have conversations with machines that appear intelligent. We simply cannot suspend disbelief enough or muster enough denial to support the weight of continued structural violence when its clear machines can do our fake busy work jobs better than we can. It takes more skill to drive to work than to do 95% of jobs.
The agrarian social compact of slavery and slavery light with phony jobs is finally over. But note that the same kind of disbelief and denial/trust that allows us to trade a stack of paper for a new car is being ripped away here. See also the double conundrum here. Most of us under structural violence have had our incomes reduced to drive us into debt and longer hours and exhaustion. Living hand to mouth by design we can’t imagine survival without a job, and by the same token the Paris Hilton class cannot ever imagine having a job without abject terror. They also feel that being made to have job would be cheating them out of the social contract they are entitled to and that ordinary people not having to work would guarantee this and hence cheat them. More than this that if tech freed everyone the reset button could be pushed and they could end up at the bottom of the next round of social violence hence they want to take us back to the plantation like some kind of elite Luddite reflex that is very active in current policy.
Titles for some books from a wave of new books that reflect the dawning awareness of structural violence as the real issue.
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Said the person who posted on a hierarchical computer. Computers require hierarchy to be functional!
Try again.
No, there are developmental hierarchies too that are evidently much less problematic. And SAFE helps us with that hierarchical computer bit. As for the structural violence of you work so I don’t have to and do it for my comfort if it ever becomes unnecessary- well we’re just not wired for that. The much flatter hunter gatherer period was so much longer, the agrarian only a blip. Sometimes the absconders will say well it gave us culture and tech- but that’s dubious and circular as was clearly not the only means to arrive at such results. For instance you could have plucked someone at birth out of the hunter gather and dropped them into the present automated period and repeated the procedure a bunch of times and have arrived a culture and tech.
No actually @Warren isn’t that far off though it didn’t start with agriculture, agriculture came a little later. It started with us building our societies and spiritualities around central individuals and locations. The shaman, the great hunter, the cheiften, that’s where it started. Then later we developed things like laws and agriculture as our populations continued to centralize. Then came task specialization and dependence upon the state. Cultures that are more horticultural rather than agricultural also tend to be more decentralized and nomadic. Raising grain crops requires a lot of land and time in one place. And if one’s food and sustanance comes from a farm then nature becomes “the wild,” a place to be defended against and feared. Conversely if one’s food and sustenance comes from nature then the wild is just home and something to be defended and protected.
How this affects SAFE should be obvious: We are decentralized and embracing the digital wilderness. Moreover we are offering tools for those who wish to be decentralized and free in meatspace as well. Therefore understanding the dynamics between agriculture vs horticulture, monoculture vs permaculture, civilization vs nature and nomadic behavior would seem very relevant considering that SAFE would be largely promoting the latter either directly or indirectly.
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Presumably because of the minority of Ubuntu packages that won’t install on Debian. When Canonical create packages they often make sure they aren’t Debian compatible, which is too bad, really.
Like I said, they (legalistically) adhere to the letter of the licence while subverting the philosophy of encouraging people to adapt it.
Thank you @Warren! Just came across this few hours ago, some more food for thought on the topic:
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You guys also might want to give this a watch. Less to do with tech but has a lot to do with the decentralization of society.
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- How else should they adhere to legalities than to the minimum amount necessary?
- Which other distro company adheres to the license in a nicer way? Redhat? SuSE’s parent company?
- Do you expect MaidSafe Inc. to not pursue GPLv3 violations by commercial competitors who are making just a little bit of money?
- What do you think about the fact that majority (I think it’s safe to say that) of SAFE network users don’t intend to follow any agreements related to copyright and licensing?
@janitor Oh, the many questions, huh? 
Suffice to say that I use Debian wherever I can, for a number of reasons, but not least because I like their wholesome philosophy of free software. And I only installed Ubuntu on my online server because it was the only distro offered at the time, and it is command-line so I’m not reminded where it came from each time I use it.
Well it’s just one question, really - what are they supposed to do?
I also use Deb (10+ years) but I use Ubuntu more because it’s better supported by commercial apps.
I would put more effort into using Debian if they didn’t switch to systemd.
Among distros that didn’t switch there aren’t any popular distros so it’s only a matter which systemd distro saves more time with apps I use often.
So far, ecommerce store data on OpenBazaar is stored locally, but they will deploy a SAFE Network style DHT setup where chunks of store data will be duplicated on other nodes/servers.
The data can be distributed across a network of users, and if the OpenBazaar server hosting the data goes down temporarily, that data can still be accessed because it’s replicated by another peer on the network.