NVO Decentralized Exchange - Crowdsale

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This has been an awesome dispaly of BS baffles brains and I gotta give @nemgun and @tonbi full credit for endurance and for this raise.

Like I previously noted, the first chapter is not yet complete and many more to be written and this team can succeed with these million$$ but only if they buy credibility and build the right team.

Very good to see Nemgum tone down the rhetoric and Tonbi act more pro, but its not enough.

IMO if they cannot attract and integrate industry vets into their “idea” they will not succeed.

Here’s some ideas:

  1. Full transparency -

  2. Engage/partner with Maidsafe now, offering to subsidize hiring campaigns - meetups, other hiring events that cost money - to attract brainpower to Rust and Safenet. If your serious about Safenet, you’ll do this and be helping the very team - and investors - on which you leveraged your success.

  3. Create an advisory board that will include experts from all the areas where you lack talent. You need advisors and can guide on business management, security, software development, tech, PR, etc. This advisory board will attract more investment and draw developers AND bring credibility. a) David Irvine b) Erik Voorhees, ShapeShift c) Barry Silbert, DCG d) Peter Wuille, Blockstream…and whomever else… etc.

  4. Hire someone that can give you some guidance on putting all these puzzle pieces together.

Im not going to get into a pissing contest with you guys. You won round 1 of a 15 round match.

I’d like to see you succeed - only with Maidsafe - because Im a selfish capitalist pr*ck pig.

Dont make me look good in round 15.

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No i won the 15 rounds :yum:

Yes, we always wanted things to be transparent.

Alex is already in charge of Maidsafe. Before going further with MaidSafe, we need to setup a work plan for NVO wich leads me to :

This is what i am doing here : NVO Decentralized Exchange - Crowdsale - #681 by nemgun
Regarding Blockstream, we iniciated contact with them, and a friend contacted their CTO (gmaxwell).

For now, we are collecting the resumes to form the dev team of NVO, once it is setup on track, i will be able to focus on maidsafe. I can not disperse too much now, I have commitments to the community and investors.

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hi guys, i just wrote my own review of NVO with info from here and other sources. check it out: http://www.jackobian.com/threads/what-is-nvo-and-will-a-decentralized-exchange-beat-poloniex.64616/

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What do you even mean with this

If an ICO is a scam, than people lose

Selling lie coins to others even on an exchange is still horrible. the people who buy them lose their money. Profits like this should not be applauded man

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I hope I’m not right with NVO as i was with Safex. Way too much support sentiment …not enough challenges. Same thing here with NVO.

https://forum.autonomi.community/t/safe-exchange-on-bitcoin-rush/6471/9?u=bigbtc

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Let’s try to stay on topic and not discuss about Safex. They have nothing to do with NVO. Not even close.

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Looks like a lot of vested interests in this forum. Safex, Bancor, even seeing issues with skincoin. Just wondering if skincoin is going to do a third lot of 28 days of ICO?

I was just now looking at the EOS ICO. The comment relating to all these new ICO’s asking and getting hundreds of millions of dollars via promises that may or may not be fulfilled. The more I look at this, the more it disgusts me. It kinda niggled me at the time but when I look back at the NVO slack forum, of which I posted some of in this forum above, it really has made me see into the BS I experienced. I also found it quite telling to open up the NVO wallet and see how, very, very, basic this wallet is; inclusive of hitting the tool bar - help - learn more link, to be taken to a page wherein it gives you a web page for help creating your own wallet. This page gives me the insights and indication that I could produce my own wallet. Yes, Java for dummies book, no problem.

With all the millions of dollars that these new ICO’s are generating from extremely eager late comers to the crypto game, you’d think that they could have developed a working crypto wallet prior to the god damn ico?

Yep, had a look at the EOS forum and it’s saying that the degredation of these ICO’s are getting worse. The current EOS ICO is leaving the ICO open for a year. Seriously, look at what’s behind this and let the light dawn as to what these people are doing. My point to this NVO ICO, is that I would rather, as traditional crypto’s have done, got the product and act together, prior to an ICO, which generates millions of dollars these days and you have a scummy wallet and forums that talk about getting a good team together, STILL, mid ICO? You can bet I have not “donated, invested” (see my discussion on NVO slack forum), or what ever you want to niggle around with in way of wording, towards the fact of giving your hard earned dollars. I’m glad to see from the EOS forum that others are disgusted by this aspect of donations and finding difficulty in knowing what exact returns they might (???) get, sometime in the flexible future? This inclusive of not knowing how much to give? - “Hey just give, its all good”.

In the past few weeks in looking at the details of many crypto’s I was fascinated by Bithshares. I’m looking at there website and thinking this looks great, its smart, different and could be the currency to supersede others to enter the mainstream market and be huge. Weeks go by and I’m wondering why is this thing not moving. Well this EOS ICO and recent insight brings it home. The producer of Bitshares, I discover, also produced Steem, now he’s working on EOS. He goes from one money venture to another. The purchase agreement on EOS has to be read to be believed. I really encourage people to look into the EOS ICO, starting with the forum link I’ve posted below. I of course am just relating what I have read and make no claims as to whether the info on this forum and of which I have related is 100% true coming from another forum. I encourage people to research and find for themselves, as this is not the only link that comes up on an internet search.

Yes, my question towards the people on the NVO slack forum of whether they would have a full on team, one that was committed to the NVO project, was met with silence. The jokes back also regarding my serious question as to the creation of a professional wallet was also telling. Added is the fact that I’m not buying the “there was no one at the computer terminal” response given on this safenet forum (see prior post above) just after my initial post.

The other aspect that I did not post on this NVO safenet forum from my discussions from the NVO slack forum is this: I had asked how many had donated/invested. Pulling teeth, I got some information as to some 6,000 out of, I believe from memory, 20,000. I asked what the other 14,000 get? Answer > “nothing” and that why should they get anything? Well, a far cry from the generous offerings I hear in the recent years past, offerings that now equate to tens of thousands, if not more.

So, this then goes to Dan’s EOS i.e. create something and stick the hell with it and supporting those that made financial imput into it. Regarding EOS, I also see (from EOS forum, see link below) that “The developer of the project is registered in the - Cayman Islands, the company block.one of which is a co-founder and managing Director of venture capital Fund Future Capital Brock pierce.” - “Cayman Islands”? You gotta know what this is all about i.e. tax haven heaven. Yeah, tax havens, over 200 UK companies use them, extracting, I believe and don’t quote me on it, 20 billion dollars from the UK economy, while they can’t pay for schools there.

Maybe the NVO people may head the concerns of people and produce something good, time will tell. What is certain is that these ICO’s of recent have very troubling aspects - Caveat Emptor.

EOS forum discussion:

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It’s our decision to do it before or after crowdsale. It’s a trivial matter. This won’t matter after 1-2 months when our wallet is released.

Question makes no sense.

We did a video answering this same question. Did you really need to ask such a straightforward question?

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You guys can’t help yourself, but for falling over yourself and kissing the dollars goodbye.

  1. I’d say I’ve shone a light on something, that was not expected to be scrutinized. Like I said “just give us your money”. Now, if I you had a business venture and went your bank manager or stood before a group of people to present what you had, traditionally, prior to crypto land, you would present a business plan and the bank manager or members of the board meeting would like to see factors of tangibility, working models etc. Surely these days prior to asking for millions of dollars, you could do better than what a teenager could whip up? “Trivial”? not as far as I’m concerned. Sloppy? Scammy? You might say trivial, but you fail to see that I as a potential investor placed weight onto this, seeing all the issues with other wallets, plus how this has been handled, this was a good thumbs down as far as I’m concerned. I’ll let those who are thinking to invest in your ICO do the voting on this with their dollars. “1 - 2 months”? Time will tell. Let’s hope you fulfill what you have promised, for the sake of those who have given you their money.

  2. Simple maths.
    Seeing how messed up the info was relating to giving you money, I asked how many people that registered actually gave you money? I was told out of 20K, only 6K.
    20K - 6K = 14K

Think about the factor of 14,000 people going to the effort of registering for a moment and not going the next step; since you bring this up.

  1. Business confidence, back to my bank manager and board room presentation example in point No 1. Thanks for the video link, I refer to the first sentence of my reply post i.e. “Can’t help yourself…” meaning here, you guys are some scary people with this logic. I as a potential investor am even more turned off. Plus, I bring forth something that niggled me the first time I watched this guy i.e. I don’t trust him.
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I’m new to this forum and I’m not even allowed to create a new topic yet so maybe I’m missing something here, but I don’t see the point of these post full of general negativity. Just as I don’t see the point of post with just general positivity. Reading post containing mainly just “I don’t trust this guy.” or “Don’t worry about it. It’ll be fine.” does nothing for me. If one doesn’t want to invest, one should not invest. Why worry about what other people do?

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People love preaching unfortunately there is nothing productive about it. If we say we can get it done then it will be done. Time will tell is a good enough answer for this type of back and forth.

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“… be happy”:relaxed:

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I will explain why I allow myself to be a little nasty in my answers, and straight forward, simply because it is a decentralized project like bitcoin.

Bitcoin also had its haters when it was in the darknet, and looks at the result, it is always 40% ahead of the altcoins, in the end, the haters found themselves in the shadow to use bitcoin. I don’t care if you do not trust, or even that you do not believe in the project, I do not care about your feelings and what you can think. Because your opinion is based on emotions.

I am here to put this project in place, and it will be done, the token’s price is 0.3$ at the moment, and it will increase to 200 $ in the coming months, and you will be watching a very powerful marketcap and extraordinary volumes in just a few months.

You will be tempted to say that the project is a scam just to flatter your ego, but the market cap will slap in your face and bring you back to reason, and you will be one of the users of NVO, i don’t really care if you integrate the project or not, what I see is more than 10.000 investors and more than 30.000 registered users, what I see here is totally positive in my eyes, because it will be 30,000 NVO users who will download the wallet, just to see, even if they have not invested.

Your calculation is skewed because I see 30,000 users of NVO today.

We have already received a lot of resumes, very interesting people, we are analyzing them for now.

My arrogance, my strength and my ego will be at NVO’s service, and NVO will never be at my service. Just see the greatest in the world, history has proved it. When Napoleon put his skill, his arrogance at the service of France, it prospered, and as soon as he decided that Frabce was to serve him, it loosed its brilliance.

NVO is a decentralized project, there are no chances that it serves me. During these 4 months you will see that my ambition and my strength will be in the service of NVO, I would be the excalibure of NVO.

Therefore, take popcorn, and watch.

I thank all the people who believed in NVO, from the bottom of the heart, they really gave weight to NVO and it is impressive.

I thank the haters of your kind enormously, because they allowed me to prove the gap between an excellent project, and a scam. So stay in your obscure negativity, like Gollum, and wait in the shade, and when you will see NVO, shout loudly: “My Precious !” :smiling_imp::stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes::smiling_imp::stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

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This gets even better.

Got to love it when you start your comments with “I will explain why I allow myself to be a little nasty…”

First up the comment relating to “not trusting” is a factor multiplied by the skewed logic of this video #3. You can say what you want, but I’d have rather have had something more concrete as an investor than what is given in this video. Thank you for linking this video, as this further helps tell me that I’ve done the right thing personally to not give money to this ICO. There are plenty of other avenues for me to invest into, especially those that are more solid and professional. Yes, in my opinion your whole ICO has been presented half baked.

For those that aren’t aware, there are other Crypto’s that have residual incomes attached:

I’m just new to Crypto’s but I’m keenly interested upon the other offers that PIVX and Dash offers, while a little different, I like what they are doing. If any one else knows of residual income systems beyond what wavesgo offers, I’d be interested if you can reply in this forum post. The world does not end with NVO, that’s for sure.

I’m not a “hater” so get this straight. I got into this NVO ICO to work this out and now I’m a sounding board to help all those looking to make a wise decision; so think again when you presume I’m here for my ego. Yes, I gave up on the idea of putting money into this ICO a good while ago. I’m here for all the others who are looking at this. If you do what you say you are going to do, then you will make a lot of people happy and then your reward will be multiplied. I admonish you to do well.

If you had real wisdom, you would have realised that you would have been better to not to have engaged me; surely you should see that this is costing you money?

30,000? No, it’s not my logic that is skewed, it is yours. Anyone can go back to the NVO slack forum of a few days ago and see the comments posted. You will notice that at that time, the information relayed to me was the figures of 6,000 and 14,000. Amazing stuff here to not see that of course you would have gotten more people by now.

It is said that “out of the abundance of the heart, does the mouth speak”. Thank you for your last paragraph in letting us see a little more of yourself.

If you do what you have promised the people, then I will be happy for you and all those that have invested with you. Do well please, make this world a better place.

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Sorry I did not do it on purpose to send my post to page 666

There is no worry, it’s just that, to do or not to do, it’s like we’re hesitant about the project, why would we have a crowdsale if that was the case?
Compared to feasibility, many people were convinced at the time I revealed that I want to use blockstream, at the beginning everyone asked a lot of questions, I did not want to answer everything, I went slowly For people to understand step by step, the goal being to build a wrapper around blockstream’s technology.

Check out this link: Blockstream: Bitcoin and digital asset infrastructure

Everyone understood that it is feasible because in the end everyone understood, even the non-developers, and joined.
Everyone was asking the question, are they going to fork bitshares? Or are they going to use something like Ethereum?
In 2014 bitshares released a new code because the old one was screwd, and now they are doing well, I know they promise 100k transactions per second, I do not think that is currently possible, I could have chosen ethereum, But DAO is a lesson not to forget, Waves is still in development (in addition it only exchanges waves and its assets), in the end I choose blockstream because the majority Of the bitcoincore devs come from there, Anderson was the first full time developer and today the torch returns to blockstream. They have been involved in P2P, TOR, and other technologies.

I did not want to do fork because I would have condemned NVO to operate with a technology that would be obsolete in the future. NVO should have waited for the next attack to try to improve things (like bitshares in 2014) with all the problems they had. As a dev, I can claim that tomorrow there will be more advanced technologies than what blockstream offers, so NVO would have survived 2-3 years max, with my experience as an entrepreneur, I know that an idea Must live as long as it can evolve and develop. That’s why a wrapper is more appropriate, which could communicate with different technologies. Investors invest in this plan, not in terms of users.

I do not ask anyone to invest, it’s not my problem, my problem is to implement this plan, but when you speak, you do it for yourself, do not try to say that you are there to give your point of view to other people, as if you were an investment advisor. Everyone takes his own decisions, and everybody can see how the team behaves.

It is true that I am shattering about sertains posts, but because I also want to have fun, it is not that it bothers me to have negative posts, on the contrary it amuses my mind, and strengthens my Reflection, because finally there is not really someone who has questioned me in my way of thinking in development, because until now I have only reflections of the kind, if you are able to do it , And if and if, as if the person is superior to me while it is only a little shit snobinard, who has probably never succeeded in his life, or have posts like : this guy Who speaks in the video is not cute enough, he has a bizzare mouth, he should let himself grow a beard and his hair to look like jesus to have confidence in him, racist attitude of shit.

So in the end nothing really affects the project, because there are just a few people who criticize the project out of jealousy because they have crowdsale, I checked the profiles, they aven’t raised that much, simply because it was weak projects, and even those that have emerged are not profitable. It is for all this that I am shattering in my posts, because I know that I speak with a scamer, realized simply what shocks it’s the 5M he would have wanted, simply because he wants to beautify His daily life with money, and I understand him because he is a racist and stupid snobinard, so that people give him a bit of valor in his life, he must have money, a nice car, and A beautiful house, so 10/10 on materialism, and 0/10 on the intellectual level. While the funds collected will be used to develop the NVO project, and make sure to work in other potential projects that would have blockades in development, so lack of developers, and therefore lack of funds, because they must be recruited.

For all the haters who only see the project in millions of dollars and what they could do with their daily life and not in developement, all in heart with Gollum: My PRECIOUS!!!! - YouTube

I do not care about FIAT, I am crypto convinced, I am wholeheartedly with Gandalf in this step, and I reply with him to all the haters: YOU SHALL NOT PASS - YouTube

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It’s kind of silly to compare your project to Bitcoin; you have nothing other than investor money, unproven claims and empty promises. Besides, the Bitcoin tech was already out and operational when it had the haters you mentioned. How can you state that your token is going to increase to $200 in the coming months, when no one even knows what the price of Bitcoin, which has been around for 8 years, is going to be tomorrow!? You don’t even have a development team put together, and yet, here you are spewing BS… Your team should’ve stuck to answering technical questions and not get into petty debates with detractors or speculate on what the price of your token is going to be in the future.

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Don’t worry I find this a post worthy of 666 :smiling_imp: :soccer::goal_net:

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Hi gollum,
Byteball, Ethereum, Zcash, for the most part they are less than a year old, like Zcash and Byteball, I have my plan to push up the price. As Bitcoin is decentralized, and NVO is decentralized, the development team will have to be decentralized, as for Bitcoin. I do not compare the price with Bitcoin.

There are already 2 developers in the team, and we have received several very interesting resumes, we should have more next week, we analyze them.

Technical question, let me check your post.

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So you’re currently at the stage of analyzing resumes, yet are expecting the exchange to be operational within 6 months, but may need an additional 2 months to develop your own decentralized network in case SAFE isn’t ready by then? Oh, and of course, each token will have a value of $200, as you have a ‘plan’ to push up the price…

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@tonbi, @nemgun - We are told NVOS has a fixed value of $0.99 - If the distributable amount of NVOS is $0.05 (Five Cents) for a user holding some NVOT. How much NVOS is actually distributed to the NVOT holder?