It’s all in the annual financial statements lodged with Companies House in the UK
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Indeed, I couldn’t help myself and bought twice this week. 4B MAID in a fully diluted network means that 4000 now is the equivalent of 21 BTC or 100 ETH in terms of market share. You can still get that ticket for the measly price of $440 USD.
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Just one mention of vaults from home sorta working and there is an immediate tick up. Imagine what’s to come
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On coinmarket the maidsafecoin page is down? Someone else?
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What the headline claims may be true, from this guy’s track record I’m sure he’s planning a new scheme like the regular Palm Beach Confidential pump and dump he was running a few years ago.
Question on the token conversion. I think I read that when MaidSafe Tokens are converted to SAFECOIN, it will convert 1-for-1. If I have mine in a wallet as MaidSafe Tokens, what actions do I need to take to convert them and start the process of acquire/sell/trade/swap/use?
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There’s a number of ways it could be done… I’ve not seen it confirmed yet.
Given the Omni token that is MAID is visible on the BTC blockchain, one option would be to see them sent to a burn address trigger the conversion. There are known burn addresses - ones you can send to that provably no-one can own. Noting what address sent to that burn address could be an auto conversion… perhaps with a signature of the private key from that sending address then confirming the SAFE network address they want credited. This is off the top of my head … I expect there’s some thought already about how it’s done. Another would be assistance from the Omni devs or omniwallet. Given that no process will see everyone alert to the change, it’ll likely have to be done by choice… so, when a user is confident in the network they choose to convert… or perhaps it simply will be that all exchanges switch and like a bank convert what they receive… or some other idea.
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I have had some (painful) experience with coin conversions and burn addresses.
In danger of stating the bleeding obvious here but
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The proposed process must be tested, tested then tested some more
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The process must be utterly transparent and well documented with howtos, videos and travelling puppet theatres explaining everything in excruciating minute detail
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Every effort must be made to track down ALL holders of Maidsafe tokens and inform them of their right to swap tokens
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The process should be agreed (by who?) and announced at least a month before going live.
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If at all feasible the migration process should be available in perpetuity, if not then it must run for at least a year.
I learned the above from bitter experience of coming in after a botched migration of the original “coloured-coin” Scotcoin to the version now on CounterParty protocol. For literally years afterwards I was having to explain to people that because of a rushed botched migration by the originator of Scotcoin, their original coins were lost and there was nothing we could do to help them. I may not know a lot about migrating coins but I am well clued up on how NOT to migrate a coin.
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tldr; there are alsorts of ways of doing it wrong.
That’s a good thought… as Omni devs can action a stop on #3 transactions occuring beyond that point.
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Too true, the original guy who ran Scotcoin managed to find mosst of them.
I know very little of the Omni protocol but if this true then I am not a fan…
How can they be trusted to always act fairly? Sounds VERY dodgy.
If we ever get the funding together to relaunch Scotcoin then one of the problems we will face is that we will NEVER be able to kill off the CounterParty version. It will always be viable as long as the main BTC blockchain has a couple of active nodes and someone can run a CounterParty node to hook into it.
Hence a LOT of planning has gone into carrying out a migration safely and transparently.
omg stop dwelling on the negative!.. it’s lazy.
There are many ways to do the conversion…
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I’m not being negative about the migration - its a very handy feature - for our purposes - I was talking generally about the protocol devs having that power - and responsibility
What I am really thinking of is lets say there is a really rich guy one of those who does not care about €100k or more and then there is a project like maidsafe with something groundbreaking like the safenetwork. Why is someone not investing in such a project? The chance to make really huge profit is enourmos…
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It’s ultimately because they are not aware of the project and the implications. If it were pitched to them they’d sink some money in it. Of course I’m just speculating. As things progress people will notice. We are very close. The last mile. I’d guess we have Flemming around New Years. Once this happens those guys with the 100k will be dumping money in to see what happens.
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They will come and some already have. The truly ideal situation is to get the price to a $1 so their dollar has meaningful impact but buys 100k coins instead of 1 MM.
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The bittrex orderbook is not easy to fetch.
https://api.bittrex.com/api/v1.1/public/getorderbook?market=BTC-MAID&type=both
only gives 100 rows for each side of the orderbook, which is nowhere near the full thing.
I made this script to get the full orderbook from the webpage
https://global.bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-MAID
// A way to get all the data for the orderbooks on bittrex
//
// - open the browser to https://global.bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-MAID
// - wait until all the data has loaded
// - open the javascript console in the dev tools (press F12)
// - copy this code and paste it into the console
// - press enter to run it and wait up to 30s for the output
// - csv text will be printed out which can be copied into a spreadsheet program for analysis
function fixTable(tableEl) {
// need to get around react virtualized table which only shows visible rows
// so make the table element extremely tall so all rows will need to show.
tableEl.style.position = "absolute";
tableEl.style.top = 0;
tableEl.style.left = 0;
tableEl.style.height = "100000px";
tableEl.style.width = "500px";
}
function getTableCsv(tableEl, priceIndex, maidIndex, btcIndex) {
tableCsv = "price,maid,btc\n";
let rows = tableEl.querySelectorAll(".ReactVirtualized__Table__row");
for (let i=0; i<rows.length; i++) {
row = rows[i];
cells = row.querySelectorAll(".ReactVirtualized__Table__rowColumn");
rowCsv = "";
rowCsv += cells[priceIndex].textContent.replace(/\s/g,"").replace(/,/g,"") + ",";
rowCsv += cells[maidIndex].textContent.replace(/\s/g,"").replace(/,/g,"") + ",";
rowCsv += cells[btcIndex].textContent.replace(/\s/g,"").replace(/,/g,"") + ",";
rowCsv += "\n";
if (rowCsv.replace(",,,","").replace(/\s/g, "").length > 0) {
tableCsv += rowCsv;
}
}
return tableCsv;
}
buyTable = document.querySelectorAll(".book--container.bid")[0];
sellTable = document.querySelectorAll(".book--container.ask")[0];
fixTable(buyTable);
fixTable(sellTable);
setTimeout(function() {
allData = "";
allData += "BUYS\n";
allData += getTableCsv(buyTable, 3, 2, 1) + "\n";
allData += "\nSELLS\n";
allData += getTableCsv(sellTable, 0, 1, 2);
console.log(allData);
}, 2000);
Currently this gives the following output:
BUYS
price,maid,btc
0.00001231,0.04863113,0.0000,
0.00001203,124.68827930,0.0015,
0.00001202,178.08136122,0.0021,
0.00001195,137.18616451,0.0016,
0.00001188,287.13464306,0.0034,
0.00001179,33.73648607,0.0004,
0.00001140,122.86893179,0.0014,
0.00001138,380.22858146,0.0043,
0.00001137,1049.65000000,0.0119,
0.00001127,200.00000000,0.0023,
0.00001126,1049.65000000,0.0118,
0.00001125,1241.96052339,0.0140,
0.00001123,297.47957562,0.0033,
0.00001119,300.00000000,0.0034,
0.00001118,7339.58232955,0.0821,
0.00001117,6287.95422895,0.0702,
0.00001116,500.00000000,0.0056,
0.00001115,13665.53410112,0.1524,
0.00001114,543.67053086,0.0061,
0.00001109,119.08217463,0.0013,
0.00001108,451.26353790,0.0050,
0.00001104,389.01725534,0.0043,
0.00001103,27244.85687813,0.3005,
0.00001102,47184.93121091,0.5200,
0.00001101,200.15727001,0.0022,
0.00001100,2922.18459273,0.0321,
0.00001092,28924.64795233,0.3159,
0.00001091,11020.63916452,0.1202,
0.00001086,667.58894733,0.0073,
0.00001085,24695.01209742,0.2679,
0.00001084,4286.85330479,0.0465,
0.00001068,27090.35605902,0.2893,
0.00001066,200.00000000,0.0021,
0.00001065,10465.88000088,0.1115,
0.00001063,4254.41917637,0.0452,
0.00001060,9426.28877995,0.0999,
0.00001058,5162.84396103,0.0546,
0.00001053,140.00000000,0.0015,
0.00001047,3718.42931375,0.0389,
0.00001039,29199.94558046,0.3034,
0.00001033,1999.76776500,0.0207,
0.00001031,3453.77803573,0.0356,
0.00001030,16189.03582126,0.1667,
0.00001029,12303.53952179,0.1266,
0.00001028,9347.42803658,0.0961,
0.00001024,13379.34636521,0.1370,
0.00001022,236.81147621,0.0024,
0.00001021,15996.57064211,0.1633,
0.00001018,29608.00517372,0.3014,
0.00001012,4940.71146245,0.0500,
0.00001003,9488.31845758,0.0952,
0.00001000,19267.33384314,0.1927,
0.00000997,612.88734621,0.0061,
0.00000985,507.61421319,0.0050,
0.00000977,77.78915046,0.0008,
0.00000976,256.37877732,0.0025,
0.00000955,131.17386125,0.0013,
0.00000954,1109.79168686,0.0106,
0.00000953,836.56096519,0.0080,
0.00000952,327.89938312,0.0031,
0.00000951,7615.18140815,0.0724,
0.00000950,707.17782197,0.0067,
0.00000949,188.64881039,0.0018,
0.00000947,973.68386818,0.0092,
0.00000946,1639.85069475,0.0155,
0.00000925,3973.27768635,0.0368,
0.00000910,1000.00000000,0.0091,
0.00000909,110.01100110,0.0010,
0.00000908,120.00000000,0.0011,
0.00000904,1350.00000000,0.0122,
0.00000903,39664.02495514,0.3582,
0.00000898,250.00000000,0.0022,
0.00000870,1049.91484138,0.0091,
0.00000865,3609.02782039,0.0312,
0.00000850,21800.00000000,0.1853,
0.00000847,110.86906010,0.0009,
0.00000843,936.96647362,0.0079,
0.00000817,6119.95104039,0.0500,
0.00000814,573.56374730,0.0047,
0.00000813,573.31141761,0.0047,
0.00000812,273.52483199,0.0022,
0.00000811,341.36120929,0.0028,
0.00000803,310.10605333,0.0025,
0.00000801,50689.93521876,0.4060,
0.00000800,875701.08749676,7.0056,
0.00000799,399.35716829,0.0032,
0.00000798,826.99386868,0.0066,
0.00000797,904.72068921,0.0072,
0.00000796,672.16248743,0.0054,
0.00000789,642.00000000,0.0051,
0.00000787,5000.00000000,0.0393,
0.00000779,5000.00000000,0.0389,
0.00000777,64.83148777,0.0005,
0.00000766,1658.14945595,0.0127,
0.00000765,1658.14945595,0.0127,
0.00000764,1658.14945595,0.0127,
0.00000763,1658.14945595,0.0127,
0.00000762,1658.14945595,0.0126,
0.00000761,1658.14945595,0.0126,
0.00000760,1658.14945595,0.0126,
0.00000759,1658.14945595,0.0126,
0.00000758,1658.14945595,0.0126,
0.00000757,1658.14945595,0.0126,
0.00000741,270.00000000,0.0020,
0.00000715,14095.67250000,0.1008,
0.00000705,7092.19858156,0.0500,
0.00000700,220.00000000,0.0015,
0.00000686,500.00000000,0.0034,
0.00000669,180.00000000,0.0012,
0.00000656,80.00000000,0.0005,
0.00000650,3162.03625096,0.0206,
0.00000641,5733.66904816,0.0368,
0.00000568,6537.12900847,0.0371,
0.00000512,19154.81580756,0.0981,
0.00000500,100.00000000,0.0005,
0.00000470,20265.54290566,0.0952,
0.00000437,21687.89217715,0.0948,
0.00000403,19149.60729131,0.0772,
0.00000361,27700.83102493,0.1000,
0.00000303,26880.25013587,0.0814,
0.00000261,31380.08583557,0.0819,
0.00000213,48183.83773233,0.1026,
0.00000144,48523.09928584,0.0699,
0.00000122,53719.20822614,0.0655,
0.00000112,22263.94642857,0.0249,
0.00000064,6094.30000000,0.0039,
0.00000057,1777.21052631,0.0010,
0.00000056,97987.36879761,0.0549,
0.00000037,5405.40000000,0.0020,
0.00000024,6094.86034160,0.0015,
0.00000021,2404.00000000,0.0005,
0.00000017,3000.00000000,0.0005,
0.00000016,353924.64345335,0.0566,
0.00000014,3633.77271107,0.0005,
0.00000008,25000.00000000,0.0020,
0.00000007,7200.00000000,0.0005,
0.00000006,83125.51953449,0.0050,
0.00000005,399022.14450000,0.0200,
0.00000004,1409250.00000000,0.0564,
0.00000003,56670.00000000,0.0017,
0.00000001,128387.03241895,0.0013,
SELLS
price,maid,btc
0.00001244,3445.20475846,0.0429,
0.00001247,91.70322825,0.0011,
0.00001250,2348.42018937,0.0294,
0.00001251,239.03146360,0.0030,
0.00001255,2000.00000000,0.0251,
0.00001260,102.51557041,0.0013,
0.00001263,190.28635259,0.0024,
0.00001269,29328.14023767,0.3722,
0.00001270,80000.00000000,1.0160,
0.00001280,54.18326693,0.0007,
0.00001281,104.87342853,0.0013,
0.00001298,3828.77851831,0.0497,
0.00001299,154.87799146,0.0020,
0.00001300,399.78354287,0.0052,
0.00001303,107.28551739,0.0014,
0.00001324,109.75308429,0.0015,
0.00001331,1800.00000000,0.0240,
0.00001345,112.27740522,0.0015,
0.00001349,262.80390760,0.0035,
0.00001355,90.06002018,0.0012,
0.00001359,264.94335324,0.0036,
0.00001360,28986.72242785,0.3942,
0.00001370,1077.00000000,0.0148,
0.00001377,42.54944874,0.0006,
0.00001400,500.00000000,0.0070,
0.00001430,101.59150000,0.0015,
0.00001450,1500.00000000,0.0217,
0.00001460,1722.17233501,0.0251,
0.00001481,200.00000000,0.0030,
0.00001599,484.81584172,0.0078,
0.00001600,400.00000000,0.0064,
0.00001624,100.00000000,0.0016,
0.00001625,68.96238793,0.0011,
0.00001662,1032.51116623,0.0172,
0.00001704,765.00000000,0.0130,
0.00001713,51.49346066,0.0009,
0.00001715,1155.05082637,0.0198,
0.00001846,45.05882177,0.0008,
0.00001860,269.35591613,0.0050,
0.00001895,87.80542075,0.0017,
0.00001899,1013.72235463,0.0193,
0.00001904,877.64805759,0.0167,
0.00001905,75.00000000,0.0014,
0.00001919,2651.05271571,0.0509,
0.00001920,5516.55181110,0.1059,
0.00001936,3467.69976378,0.0671,
0.00001950,5000.00000000,0.0975,
0.00001970,1429.05374691,0.0282,
0.00001998,560.92139191,0.0112,
0.00002027,120.46729628,0.0024,
0.00002035,1628.79351636,0.0331,
0.00002040,245.58921765,0.0050,
0.00002080,240.86634808,0.0050,
0.00002095,1431.98090692,0.0300,
0.00002120,330.85038000,0.0070,
0.00002140,330.85038000,0.0071,
0.00002144,1377.00000000,0.0295,
0.00002160,330.85038000,0.0071,
0.00002180,330.85038000,0.0072,
0.00002200,4404.69785557,0.0969,
0.00002220,330.85038000,0.0073,
0.00002221,1114.00000000,0.0247,
0.00002240,330.85038000,0.0074,
0.00002280,374.36125109,0.0085,
0.00002320,215.94913965,0.0050,
0.00002328,1000.00000000,0.0233,
0.00002360,300.24833499,0.0071,
0.00002384,886.88478989,0.0211,
0.00002400,2300.00000000,0.0552,
0.00002469,1235.95405482,0.0305,
0.00002486,1935.00000000,0.0481,
0.00002499,10111.20861370,0.2527,
0.00002500,6263.82441110,0.1566,
0.00002509,75.00000000,0.0019,
0.00002540,301.80000000,0.0077,
0.00002589,1000.00000000,0.0259,
0.00002600,2000.00000000,0.0520,
0.00002695,1928.82583796,0.0520,
0.00002700,4500.00000000,0.1215,
0.00002719,1451.25000000,0.0395,
0.00002740,255.98642540,0.0070,
0.00002794,1605.86022804,0.0449,
0.00002800,2000.00000000,0.0560,
0.00002803,591.99600798,0.0166,
0.00002828,635.41990480,0.0180,
0.00002838,20.00000000,0.0006,
0.00002839,10360.93261307,0.2941,
0.00002842,100000.00000000,2.8420,
0.00002845,200.00000000,0.0057,
0.00002900,2600.00000000,0.0754,
0.00002936,189.84801232,0.0056,
0.00002939,20.69851418,0.0006,
0.00002940,733.50971515,0.0216,
0.00002946,4999.93548730,0.1473,
0.00002953,1000.00000000,0.0295,
0.00003000,6764.06586818,0.2029,
0.00003083,1000.00000000,0.0308,
0.00003094,1058.47415157,0.0327,
0.00003119,2744.18750000,0.0856,
0.00003151,2437.80734390,0.0768,
0.00003210,11000.00000000,0.3531,
0.00003249,7500.00000000,0.2437,
0.00003299,477.78351164,0.0158,
0.00003300,2000.00000000,0.0660,
0.00003380,30.00000000,0.0010,
0.00003386,3372.00000000,0.1142,
0.00003400,217.88282447,0.0074,
0.00003448,839.68515747,0.0290,
0.00003498,500.00000000,0.0175,
0.00003550,4000.00000000,0.1420,
0.00003579,56.25000000,0.0020,
0.00003640,170.04936174,0.0062,
0.00003650,1124.00000000,0.0410,
0.00003700,6893.85627702,0.2551,
0.00003735,11931.75000000,0.4457,
0.00003740,30.00000000,0.0011,
0.00003767,1004.35207778,0.0378,
0.00003799,3223.52924947,0.1225,
0.00003853,7463.00000000,0.2875,
0.00003854,5000.00000000,0.1927,
0.00003860,2000.00000000,0.0772,
0.00003898,8173.84951140,0.3186,
0.00003900,100481.30458961,3.9188,
0.00003924,2058.14062500,0.0808,
0.00003939,1876.00000000,0.0739,
0.00003973,100.00000000,0.0040,
0.00003975,1500.00000000,0.0596,
0.00003977,11500.00000000,0.4574,
0.00003993,2000.00000000,0.0799,
0.00003999,30.00000000,0.0012,
0.00004000,8906.66266167,0.3563,
0.00004020,2497.00000000,0.1004,
0.00004175,1620.00000000,0.0676,
0.00004190,22.19993818,0.0009,
0.00004263,2000.00000000,0.0853,
0.00004278,10000.00000000,0.4278,
0.00004284,23.00000000,0.0010,
0.00004300,300.00000000,0.0129,
0.00004359,3550.19840133,0.1548,
0.00004369,799.99999749,0.0350,
0.00004400,20884.60000000,0.9189,
0.00004421,5000.00000000,0.2210,
0.00004444,1500.00000000,0.0667,
0.00004492,10000.00000000,0.4492,
0.00004500,130.00000000,0.0059,
0.00004513,663.00000000,0.0299,
0.00004566,3977.25000000,0.1816,
0.00004639,100.00000000,0.0046,
0.00004678,3045.53573780,0.1425,
0.00004688,16561.00000000,0.7764,
0.00004851,1000.00000000,0.0485,
0.00004892,150.00000000,0.0073,
0.00004897,30.00000000,0.0015,
0.00004939,1023.00000000,0.0505,
0.00004944,799.99999749,0.0396,
0.00004948,4705.21808685,0.2328,
0.00004971,500.00000000,0.0249,
0.00004999,500.00000000,0.0250,
0.00005000,6843.84358039,0.3422,
0.00005168,2199.00000000,0.1136,
0.00005184,723.00000000,0.0375,
0.00005190,778.26667905,0.0404,
0.00005220,8537.00000000,0.4456,
0.00005241,6543.60546875,0.3430,
0.00005250,82.24402358,0.0043,
0.00005300,300.00000000,0.0159,
0.00005380,2641.64438022,0.1421,
0.00005472,50.00000000,0.0027,
0.00005776,50.00000000,0.0029,
0.00005790,50.00000000,0.0029,
0.00005869,150.00000000,0.0088,
0.00005872,2500.00000000,0.1468,
0.00005940,42.90337984,0.0025,
0.00005960,100.00000000,0.0060,
0.00006000,288.00000000,0.0173,
0.00006026,799.99999749,0.0482,
0.00006146,2586.42171622,0.1590,
0.00006300,2850.00000000,0.1795,
0.00006369,1417.00000000,0.0902,
0.00006380,9000.00000000,0.5742,
0.00006390,6000.00000000,0.3834,
0.00006430,491.00000000,0.0316,
0.00006547,799.99999749,0.0524,
0.00006700,5139.00000000,0.3443,
0.00006784,2439.69870143,0.1655,
0.00006873,100.00000000,0.0069,
0.00006875,1000.00000000,0.0688,
0.00006930,4000.00000000,0.2772,
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Changelly offer something between HitBTC and Bittrex
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This is it @anon40006692 , it’s about intersecting sets of people. MAID is still tiny in the eyes of the world, so most potential candidates simply do not know. Many of those that do may not know that there is an investable crypto associated. Those that do likely have a lot of other crypto on their minds (BTC, ETH). To not care about 100k you’d need probably 10M+. I’ve known individuals in that range and higher over my life and they typically are not in the habit of investing any part of that in completely speculative investments like SAFE. The brave, for whom ‘no mvp yet’ does not deter, may balk at buying magic internet money to invest in a low liquidity market with a huge spike in the past unless their broker knew that it could be done OTC. etc. etc. And then you are down to a very tiny set indeed, the crypto oligarchs or the silicon valley crowd plus a few interested oddities.
To me, only variables are the chance that they deliver, and if they do, does the user experience make it a ultra-secure and cool version of dropbox, or are we really talking digital bearer bonds, quick transfer, and with the currency backed by real demand for this kind of network?
Achieve the first, then we are talking. I personally now think the chance to deliver x the base multiple (10x) is high enough to justify investment at multiples of the current price.
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