MaidSafeCoin (MAID & eMAID) - Price & Trading topic (Part 2)

I guess it may be that the partners / MaidSafe staff who are uploading are having the weekend off, so upload activity is reduced?

Just speculation!

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I think they are uploading very slowly because we need a critical mass for the network to become stable. The overprovisioned hosts need to be weeded out, but very slowly, until there’s an equilibrium.

People think that you can run 150 nodes on your home pc, but once the network gets busy your nodes will die. Which causes other overprovisioned hosts to have to work harder…and die…and so on and so on.

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How many do you think is realistic for a home network?

In my case I have 200mb symmetrical fiber internet, 8 nodes running on one laptop with plenty of resources to spare, 5 nodes running on another with resources to spare.

I have another unused iMac with a 1TB storage but only 8GB memory that I’m looking to utilize.

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Its the router thats going to be the partypooper. You have to test how far you can go until Mrs Nigel and the kids start a mutiny :wink:

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And at the point of revolt, stop half your nodes and live to see another day…

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Lol. I already heard it when attempting to fire up 50 nodes at once on one machine. :joy:

Scaled back since then but still plan on adding at least several more.

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At this time I think its only Maidsafe (from what has been said by devs) uploading at slow rates till everything looks good and the DAG crawler is working fast enough.

And I am thinking that the rate is slowed down even more if it is even going on Sunday (UK time)

I would think the partners will start uploading later on when we are well into beta. Otherwise they are looking at having to repeat the uploads every time a beta network has to be shut down and restarted

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Other people complain when I have 20 running for a couple of days. Complain of lag in their games and discord increasing then dropping off. Their experience is frustrating. 12 nodes seem fine. And its due to the router.

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The new one still not there?

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It came, I powered it up late in the evening and went nope not now no way. LOL

But it looks like for starters I could just set a couple of things on the front screen and run it. And leave the fine tuning till later. Although I might go down a level or two and have the WAN port on the last port rather than the one and only 2.5GB port. I do have a SPF+ port and bought a 10GB plugin, but that is for future if I want. ISP has a 1 GB connector out of the NBN box (HFC adaptor) so no use wasting high speed ports on it.

Oh and I have to time connecting it for reals when the others are not on the internet

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I currently ‘feel’ that people shouldn’t decide to run a node for rewards anyway - least not in the long run. Sure you will get some occasionally, but the point is to secure your data - by using the network to backup your important data.

Hopefully we will get more and more apps that people want to use that store data as well.

But those coming to :ant: for handouts or thinking they will earn any serious sums of money running nodes are not thinking things through.

Hope that doesn’t bum anyone out, but the point of the network is freedom for our data, not making bank by running nodes.

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Its about the marbles. People are running nodes for days and still have 0 marbles. Most people will be happy if the amount of marbles is greater than 0, so at least they are assured that their nodes are working correctly and they’re contributing something.

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these are fake nanos anyway

Still seeing nanos reassures connectivity and is the only thing earning you rank :man_shrugging:

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These nanos might the most valuable nanos ever, as they can result in a prize from Beta Rewards, which is likely to be fairly tasty!

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yeah i know … gonna restart my daughters pc now. cant believe she turned it off

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I agree that making a lot of money by running nodes is not likely.

But I can see it bumming folks out though, because it can be seen as “The MAID / eMAID holders are getting rich while the ordinary folks do all the work.” Which is a form of rich get rich and poor stay poor. Only those who can afford to invest can make big gains.

So I wonder if a network with no tokens at all could surpass Autonomi in popularity?

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such a network will die pretty fast imho - no incentive to run nodes - no spam protection

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But the incentive with small rewards is not that great either. Maybe spam protection could be done with some other means, like a small “proof of work” with the uploading.

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we have a network of 25k nodes now - storing an average of ~100 chunks

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(includes inactive chunks which are excess copies that just remain because the space for it exists)

… people are competing for rank atm and not for nanos … close to all nodes currently charge the absolute minimum of 10 nanos per chunk … which is ridiculous … nobody can upload and people are just competing for the little nanos that get earned … it’s not exactly how the economics will work later on … with a network holding more data and store costs being higher (as we’ve seen in the past test networks) all this will level out …

and if earnings are not sustainable then node runners will shut down their nodes (which makes even sense in a broader picture globally … there shouldn’t be 90% empty nodes if the same data can be managed by a way smaller number of nodes …)

…i don’t think anything is wrong with what we’re seeing … it’s just that people don’t see inflow of nanos and rank in this moment in time which makes them irritated/demotivated/less sure their nodes are working correctly …

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