2,7/1,5 = $1,8 per SNT, if SNT matches Filecoin market cap at launch.
Instead if only maid/emaid supply on launch then
aprox 450 million current supply
2,7/0,45 = $6 per Maid/eMaid, if with current supply Maid would match Filecoin market cap at launch.
That early investors only consists of 33% of SNT supply at launch is punishing. It would be good with a low supply at the beginning so that early investors would have a year or two to get out of the market. Or that early investors got a larger % of SNT launch supply by example get 2 SNT per Maid/eMaid. 1,5 billion supply at launch does not seem fair to early investors who will get severely diluted when SNT launch.
Just because you know about the rules in advance does not make them more fair. There could still be change, if there is a will then there is a way. Still hope for a change to a more fair distribution at launch.
Thank you for sharing this information. I was considering a modest investment in the maid, but given the substantial 1.5 billion supply at launch, I’ve decided to exercise caution and step away. Early investors may ruthlessly sell off, leaving those who buy now vulnerable to significant losses. Not sure how we can see $80/token as some people project.
None of that makes sense to me. Early investors will only sell after this long if the price has increased. Buying now is good if the price don’t rise too quickly because the real rise will be when others decide to buy in on results.
Basically, currently 10% of eventual max supply supply is in MAID/eMAID. On launch, I think an additional 20% are minted to early investors / team / foundation, or some combo of these (can’t find the figures from a quick search).
Max supply is something like 4.3bn, so 30% of this is around 1.3bn… close enough to 1.5bn I guess
Edit:
Nope, I was wrong, sorry. Just checked in the FAQs here: Safe Network, and then looked at RFC 61.
So, it’s 15% of total supply at launch / conversion; 10% MAID/eMAID and 5% early investors, with 15% in a ‘royalties pool’ for ecosystem development, which I expect could likely enter circulation over the first couple of years, assuming royalties from the upload fees are not sufficient.
70% possibly to be released eventually in a way that I think is still undetermined.
$80 is quite high but not impossible. It all depends on the current supply, how high the mining rate is when network goes live and the demand. Safe Network’s technology easily completes with FileCoin and most likely leaves it behind in the dust!
“To allow distributed ownership of the network, MaidSafe will allocate 30% of the tokens on day 1. The coins allocated are fungible, particularly in the form of resources as backers reach their required returns or simply trade the coins. This allocation of safecoin will allow two separate entities to be rewarded:”
Maid = 30% on day 1 at launch
30% * 3,3 = aprox 100 %
Maid = aprox 450
450 * 3,3 = 1480 = aprox 1,5 billion at launch. initial investors gets diluted aprox 3 x on day 1 or 200%
What am I missing @happybeing@Josh@DavidMc0 how is it possible that you don’t you know that Maid only represents 30 of supply at launch, that early investors will be diluted aprox 200% at launch?
Yes, but I assume the royalties pool is likely not to all be spent day 1, so not be in circulation.
In addition, the shareholder 5% will be released in 3 installments throughout the first year.
So, depending on the rate the foundation uses the royalties pool, between 15 and 30% will be in circulation within 12 months of the network launch, plus anything minted / farmed / distributed from the 70% pool, if it comes into play.
Just some thoughts on the royalties pool; it’s clearly a good idea to have a decent sized chunk of SNT to promote ecosystem development including core software, apps etc, but at current prices the royalties pool of 678,828,618 tokens would be worth about $125m, which seems pretty chunky to me.
If, by launch, hype & demand were to take MAID to $1.50, that pool would be worth just over $1bn.
Does that seem excessive, or a brilliant resource to give development a massive boost in the early days (and perhaps, the not so early days)?
And, I wonder what measures would be taken to ensure the funds aren’t spent too fast as to dump the price? E.g. would there be a floor price for royalties pool sales, e.g. $1 / something that goes up over time?
Thanks for that input, it matches the feeling I’ve had for awhile, that it seems a little excessive already at modest $1,5. And if there was a way to make it take longer for the royalty pool to be destributed that would also be good.
Also I don’t understand how the royalty pool will work and not be gambled.
Too me and many other it seems, it is not 100% clear on how much will be available at day 1 launch, how fast the inflation will happen to reach the total 30% of initial supply, combined with farming rate of the remaining 70%.
Wish it was some easy structured numbers, this is what day 1 supply will look like, this is the expected inflation first-, second year and so on.
$80 at 1-1,5 billion supply would place made top 3 market cap at current market situation, not impossible if things go great in the 1st year. SNT should be able to smash Filecoin many times over from the start, Filecoin market cap feels like floor minimum for SNT.
Yes, some kind of vesting / release schedule for the royalties pool’s availability could help reduce uncertainty about initial supply / sell pressure.
I guess it’s not in the foundation’s interest to dump the price, but it’d be good for that to not be an option, otherwise, however good the governance of the foundation is, the option for members to open personal shorts and the dump price once trading on exchanges is open is perhaps a temptation best avoided?
I’m sure the team has thought about a lot of these angles, so I’m not worried, but good to discuss as it seems to be getting closer!
I am not following what you mean by initial investors, and I have not seen these figures presented like this.
On day 1 the MAID/eMAID can be transferred 1:1 which is 10% of the total EVENTUAL supply
The royalties are a mix of app rewards (10%) and core dev rewards (5%) THESE ARE NOT PAID OUT BUT EARNED OVER MANY YEARS, they are allocated though to the foundation for issuance as there is no automated way to do this, yet! If one appears, then we will use that for sure.
The initial investors (i.e. equity investors) represent 5%
So I don’t see initial investors being diluted at all.
I don’t see MAID holders being diluted, as MAID was always 10% of total supply.
I am not sure if folk understand, but this is not about a small number of people getting uber rewarded at all. That would be a horrific mistake that should kill this project. The issuance is as always has been stated and the hopes are that the issuance goes far and wide to as many who can earn of the platform as possible. It is 100% not about rewarding MAID holders beyond the 10% of total supply or the equity investors at 5% of total supply.
Apart from these equity investors and (e)MAID holders everyone else needs to earn tokens. Nobody gets some kind of founders share or employee share here. That is not our way and without doubt no MAID holder should get more than was agreed either. Considering employees and founders PURCHASED their MAID then I think this is obviously fair. We as employees do not want some kind of bonus from this. We will earn more than enough if the network does as it should.
EDIT: did not see @dirvine 's post before replying, so his will be more accurate.
Nope.
approx 10% is MAID
5% is reserved (NOTE:reserved) for original investors in Maidsafe (Not the special company with shares in Maidsafe, those get 105 MAID per SV share) in the original papers and held by the foundation till claimed
THEN as an ongoing royalty
30% (from memory) of upload payments go to foundation for distribution in various ways (Core Devs, App devs, Content providers, etc)
So at launch there is 15% of approx 4.2 billion existing but only 10% actually in the wild for buying/selling until the 5% for Maidsafe investors decide to convert and receive their share of the 5%
Basically the market will only see the 10% at launch and increase to 15% plus the increase from the remaining 70% as its released