I wasn’t even really paying attention to the numbers until I read Shu’s post, just what my internet “felt like” and at what number of nodes things started to get slow. (it’s gotten worse) After looking at the (albeit crummy) charts I have from inside my network, I see pretty steady state 500-700kbit per node (averaged based on systems transfer and number of nodes) but definitely spikes to 1.5-2mbit for periods of time (1-5 minutes) where my 75 nodes on my 50mbit service would grind my (family facing) internet to a crawl. I’m down to 50 as of minutes ago and see if that is a level I can leave as “set and forget” on my network. I have two different systems running nodes, so as long as they don’t both spike together I may be ok.
I’m not sure if the “spike” is all of the nodes doing something or 1-2 that are transferring data heavy. Again, I need to get my logging better.
I think that’s about 5 to 7 GB/day which would probably rule me out running even one node 24x7 over mobile b/b.
I have about 3GB/day although I can up that to unlimited for about +£5/month so it might be ok.
Whether it’s practical at a constant 60KB/s is another question.
I’m starting to doubt these figures as I was running 5 nodes early in this test so I’ll have to do some more testing of my own.
I’d rather be finishing my demo right now but have been thrown off course by my laptop dying and other IT strangeness, coding a new one, and then trying to resurrect my Pi setup. After ten days I’m able to get back to code but have lost my focus.
Same here. I moaned to my ISP and got sent a new router to fix the problem they could not find.
Just cos my CPU and bandwith figures were no bouncing off the stops, effectively my home ADSL was being crippled by running 50-80 nodes from home. I have backed that off to 30 now and Mrs Southside can continue browsing.
If beta bleeds into launch, I figure uploading every quality chuck of data I have, and want to keep in perpetuity, is a good idea. No? That means I get to upload to the cloud for free.
On a less selfish note, it makes sense, for the coming beta rewards, to upload everyday data, that the average Joe would do in a real world user scenario anyway. Yes? This could include very large files. Everything needs to be tested.
Yep, but you are going to have to pay for it with, I assume node earnings?
This is another area I’m not clear about. Partners are going to be doing a lot of uploading with coins obtained from Autonomi rather than earned. But I think the rest of us are going to have little or no ‘free’ tokens. We’re also supposed to send what we earn to the Autonomi wallet, although Jim hinted recently that they may not require that - because if you are running a lot of nodes it isn’t practical.
@JimCollinson can you clarify this area yet - will there be free tokens for some, and if so who, so uploads aren’t limited to node earnings and partners?
AIUI on this upcoming testnet, your wallet balance is visible to Autonomi and on the basis of this info, the leaderboard will be populated. I expect (and demand) that this wallet visibility will not be a feature after the waves have stopped crashing onto the beach.
Its up to you what you do with the tokens earned - but I am not so sure these tokens would be spendable in the actual network as launched. What will be spendable (after launch) will be the tokens issued as rewards for taking part in the various waves.
Ok, so we have two approaches to the beta rewards scheme. One will allow the earning to be calculated and compared and hit the scoreboards without the need to send tokens — you’ll still be free to keep them and spend them for uploads.
The other will need you to send them in to MS for them to be counted against your total for rewards ranking.
Both of these allow you to upload data if you want to. The second option means you don’t get those tokens you’ve spent on data counting against your ranking… however you do get the storage. And remember, the aim is that data on the last of the Betas (which could indeed be the only one) will persist on to the live Network.
The second approach is also akin to off-ramping your tokens in the live network (like selling them at an exchange for example), so I think it’s the option I favour to get as close as we can to the dynamics of the launch economy.
There is also another route too, which ya’ll may be forgetting, which is the test of the MAID/eMAID conversion process, which will introduce a lot of tokens as well… that will factor into the rewards program as well, and fits well with the second option. (but I’ve said too much already!)
We are just shaking out finer details of the later stages the Beta, and a some more incentive spiciness, so we can lock it all together.
Hitting this from a number of angles you see:
Rewarding you all for your time and effort and resources
Expanding the capacity of the Network
Expanding the reach and user base of the Beta (without hurting 2.)
Testing the infra, and getting results back to the mothership (with the absolute minimum privacy worries)
Testing the dynamics of the economy as best we can (without gameability)
Testing the MAID/eMAID conversion process
Making it fun
Making it accessible
Giving people an avenue for contributing tech and non-tech skills for all the above
Making sure its easy to get your earnings after the launch with the most minimal personal data required to do so.
