Analysis of the node Pay For Quotes sellers

Currently, 137 addresses are earning ANT. Of these, 21 are selling immediately or have sold in the last 30 days (some of them are moving to another address before selling):

0x5166f4d38bf87e3d48a9daead9250ec3c7a3a90c
0x9ce733f428e33eff4fbab9905892148b82b5e54f
0x758573f0657f7f0a3d132015e87c074364179bc9
0x197eb844fcbfd5976c39dd936524a2947301b193
0x2cf79b35ae180e3f19ff5233dd6ec67fa14f90f1
0xc7f2d7edd1ffe2480617488df7db83175611346e
0x6a47869ce179f4dba55782938b7bd23a735cac0f
0x640713d8feb0c75e828c12d8682343cc8ea56666
0x73b548474b878d8451dbb4d0fe7b4f2c3b890bdc
0x6e8d711ee76ee9fcc6b873245eaf9cacd73edff8
0xbb48e660403a84d9a4b990c7342ce45aa6329320
0x79b2cbdfd40a20066a007a45f21dc4ef9eb94f8e
0x8a7cc0b9a7d17546073b6dba0e3bfa49b5b0f84e
0x6f89feff38620df26b2644fbf023e5a2fc8c990d
0x7c432a5fc5ad41c9bb1439937669cb3c25fd8439
0x99879d8820fa56b7fbe8bea8d03bc07fd1d3c83d
0x34fdd0dc46fe208bf1f3b0033627aad0ec206666
0x6019701a7e98b8a5cd041f61856cdc7ce70ad2c4
0x0b86a0bb38cb2b3378c59ce477473c698f888888
0x22e45be29f6eb9e975cbc7b0e14ecbaa0f87dc86
0x3072c1fd721d891e557274e0ca33d4f3083369ae

They account for 86% of the Pay For Quotes ANT.


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It basically means we have only 137 node runners and 21 whales which are dumping whatever they earn as soon as they can?

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Interesting analysis. If I filter for wallets which earn the >100 ant per single payout transactions, it is only the following wallets that receive those larger amounts in the last few days:

0x73B548474B878d8451dBB4D0Fe7B4F2C3b890BDC
0x99879D8820Fa56B7fbE8BEA8D03BC07fD1d3c83D
0x9CE733F428E33EFf4fbaB9905892148B82b5E54F
0xc7F2D7eDD1fFE2480617488DF7db83175611346e
0xE4c603AaD345CA71589f2714d06AE063e2efaA34

In sum, in the last 4 days, these earned roughly 53000 ANT out of the ~65200 emitted ANT in total (by the emission contract) . A few of these consistently sell their ANTs within 1-2h of payout receival, leading to the question if it is not one entity holding multiple of these wallets, while other wallets wait for a few days between each sell.

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That’s a bit disappointing, but quite predictable.

Some people must be using resources that are available to them at very little / no cost to be making it worth doing at scale & these prices!

Emissions were always bad economics in my opinion, but at least the benefit is being spread around to anyone who’s willing to buy at these subsidised prices rather than being hoarded by a savvy & patient big player.

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More like between 20 and 50 node runners. There are people with 5+ separate addresses, 1 address for each of their machines. Some of these people move everything to one address at a certain time and that’s how we know they are the same person.


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Thank you for doing that. It is very enlightening.

Yes, I suspect a lot of the nodes are run by people with access to resources that cost them nothing. I could tell you a funny story about someone Ethereum mining on DC based Nvidia A100s ‘to test them’. There are many opportunities for someone who unfettered access to lots of equipment, admin access to the network and the trust of weak management who understand little of what goes on behind the big white door.

Yes, I think it was inevitable with this incentive scheme it would end up like this. With people incentivised to run as many nodes as possible with nothing to stop them being under resourced or to disincentivise them from stopping them all at once this is what you get when a small number of people run a lot of nodes.

It looks like there are some big node runners who don’t care at all about the health of the network because they shutdown hundreds of thousands of nodes at once and can’t keep them stable when they are running. Yesterday the network seems to have shrunk from ~1.5M nodes to less than 1M in 3 hours.

Unless everything is literally free for you it’s a fool’s errand to try to run nodes for profit. I think some people have realised that. It’s a shame they’ve caused such instability and I think data loss as well. The Scratchpad for Atlas just isn’t retrievable anymore and some of the files I uploaded have chunks missing.

Hopefully the data in terms of what this node instability has done to the network is ultimately helpful.

I’m running a couple of servers with a couple of thousand nodes on each but they are adequately sized and the nodes are stable. I stagger the upgrades and don’t just shut them down all at once.

I’m keeping the payouts rather than selling them. Because I have the hope and expectation that the price will be higher in the future and it will have been worth the expenditure on obtaining them this way and I can afford it as something fun to do and support the network. I realise the most cash efficient way at the moment to obtain tokens would be to just buy them but where’s the fun in that.

Ultimately the most useful thing I can do just now is keep pushing RPi4s running 10 to 50 nodes (depending on the networking available) into my friend’s houses. 3 so far. It’s not going as quickly as I’d have liked but it should pick up pace soon.

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Thanks for confirming my suspicion data redundancy broke

Which file do you believe has suffered data loss ?

Post the address and I’ll see if I can download it. So far there has been some downloading unavailability but that is fixed now with the latest release.

Out of 40Gb of test files I have not seen a single lost chunk :slight_smile:

Better go get some FUD started @blvd go earn your pay check :wink:

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Actually, it’s looking a lot better today with 0.4.5 Hotfix July 31, 2025

today than when I was trying downloads with the previous version last night. I regret not seeing the message about the Hotfix before posting this morning or I’d have tested again.

All the files I was trying with are now working. Sometimes they need a 2nd or even 3rd attempt.

Even the Scratchpad for using Atlas is working again! And it’s faster than ever…

So it looks like someone shutting down 1/3 of the network was a successful ‘unscheduled resilience test’. I hope lots of useful logs and metrics have been generated.

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That’s the answer I was looking for well done to all the team at @maidsafe :slight_smile:

@blvd you and all your FUD boys got that noted down ?

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I think that’s a big silver lining to all of the trouble Autonomi has had since launch: still no known data loss. Very encouraging.

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I’m checking all the time and not a single lost chunk it’s pretty epic considering some of the mass restarts and kills of nodes we have seen.

In last release some chunks were temporarily unavailable at times by it they usually reappeared in 2nd or 3rd retry which should hopefully be fixed with this release.

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Are the nodes still 30% down or could the restart of the one whale have brought them back to availability ?

Node count is the same for last 24 hours

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@Dimitar since node count increased by 400k nodes the price dropped by ~0.5 cents.

That is my sideline observation. Am I correct to assume whoever started all these nodes dumps right away?

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Yes, the dumper’s yield has increased, so the increase in nodes comes from him (my yield of 5000 nodes is decreasing)

https://arbiscan.io/tokentxns?a=0x73b548474b878d8451dbb4d0fe7b4f2c3b890bdc&p=7


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absolutely retarded a single guy is able/allowed to spawn up 1/3 of nodes on this network and straight up dump his mined coins into our thin liquidity, it seems like he is not going to be stopped for the foreseeable future.

How is this helpful and why isn’t this looked at : - )

Emissions are completely out of balance compared to our avail liquidity, another thing team should look at and fix.

These things are at least equally important to network stability, why?
Narrative follows price, not the other way around.

He helps me with cheap tokens. I am very grateful to him. Plus if you look at his addresses he gets a lot of payments for data storage, which means his nodes are real.


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Now is not the time to accumulate, so its not helpful really.
The project will just disappear of the map

More for me hom0.

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