Massive that maybe these old bright galaxies are less massive as assumed (by some) 
What sounds even more interesting is how the ‘Hubble tension’ issue (unexplained difference in ‘close’ and far universe measurements) will evolve, which she mentioned in video of the week before. More studies about this expected soon.
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yet everytime we’ve new studies on the Hubble tension the problems (discrepancies) have only become worse. 
Hopefully there will be some reconciliation soonish.
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hrobots’ @dirvine immortality???
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The State is not a government for the people, it is a cult that farms human slaves for the oligarchy.
Wake up.
“Prof. Jeffrey Sachs: US Foreign Policy is a Corrupt Scam.”
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Capitalism is proven to make people more generous, friendly, and less lonely.
If you believe people are lonely, you’ll also believe everybody is starving in the United States but a third are obese…
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Guillaume Verdon’s opinion on AGI will make some folk sweat.
If you want to get your knickers in a knot go straight to 46.30.
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An interesting (random) thought in this area is, can one intelligence equate to another form of intelligence? Or can a lower intelligence quantify a greater intelligence? (i.e. does a snake look at a human and think wow that is more intelligent than me? or does it think the bird is more “intelligent” as it can fly? 
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I am not sure it needs to be broken down that far. It is relatively easy to identify a person of less intelligence than yourself but harder to know how much more intelligent someone is than you.
Somewhat like hindsight.
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I know what you mean, and what you don’t mean here. What I mean is cross species as opposed to within an environment (otherwise the Phd verses the native aboriginal etc.). So say a new species of humanoids appeared somehow, would we know if they were less/more intelligent? i.e. did sapiens know they were more intelligent than Neanderthals (were they?) and so on.
It’s the intelligence thing I wonder about, it seems like a measure we cannot make?
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Ahh I get what you mean, say a Dolphin or a octopus, we know they are intelligent but do we really know how intelligent, and is there really a good measure.
If all humans did not have hands (never had) but we had the same brain we have now.
We wouldn’t have civilization as we know it so then would we be considered less intelligent because we are not able to build things?
Or would we be less intelligent as our progress would be stunted.
Idk intelligence is a hard one for me to grok.
I do believe there is a big difference between educated and intelligent and feel many miss that difference.
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I think it would help to have a definition of intelligence, or rather different kinds of intelligence, but… that’s complicated.
Not least because if you begin to talk about say human intelligence, you have to break that down further. For example, individual, family, community. Or technological, emotional, social and so on.
There’s also time here. Intelligence in a 1 hour exam is not the same as in a week long, year long, career long endeavour.
For a species, which David chose to compare, short term measures and individual measures make less sense than multi generational collective measures, although we still also make a big thing of putting an animal in a maze and seeing how it performs on a challenge that it wasn’t evolved to deal with. How intelligent of us is that? 
Coming back to so called AI, we tend to think of individuals and the very short term: answering a quiz, playing chess, writing code etc. but if you are going to ask about snakes then it’s a very complex subject, too complex for most of us perhaps.
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If octopi had longer average lifespans and could educate their off-spring then it is possible they would become the dominant terrestrial species. Phenomenal though octopus behaviour is, we need to keep in mind it is all instinct and none of that behaviour was copied from parents.
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Yes, this is key I think. It may be so complex as to be immeasurable and some other factors are more important? Or perhaps there is no intelligence as a thing, but task capabilities or something and the range of tasks is vast?
A bit like consciousness, sentience or emotional intelligence where the latter changes with respect to resources and so on. It’s all very human to label things, but we all really realise everything is connected and how can some of the connections be more important that others and so on.
Maybe late, maybe too much coffee but I have been wondering a lot recently about these measurements and perhaps how we miss the bigger picture that the labels and measures are totally useless and the thing we need to discover is a much deeper connection between all things.
In any case I think intelligence is way to off track to even try to measure.
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I guess mostly people ignore all that and are just comparing machines and humans on the same tasks. This is one of the reasons I don’t accept the term artificial intelligence for such a narrow measure. Human intelligence is narrow in itself, but machines are nowhere near even this.
Anyway, it wasn’t me who brought up snakes but well done. I think that helped clarify the discussion. 
It is great that AI is forcing a lot more thinking in this area, it can only be good.
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I wonder, if intelligence is a measure of the tasks you can do then AI thinking may be improved.
So a knife helps us do tasks we would struggle to do without it
A Swiss army knife helps us do more
None of which is intelligent (or can do tasks on their own), they are tools to increase the tasks we can do.
Then AI?
It’s currently a tool, but unlike a Swiss Army knife, it changes the game. It’s sort of like we pull out the blade, and it says, no, I have put that away, you really need the saw. In fact, have you thought about XX instead of cutting this.
So it’s like a smart tool (right now) but one that can show us ways we never thought of with other tools we did not recognise were right for the job. Like a swiss army knife, where we don’t know the tools it has or how it got them?
Dunno, but these things are really useful to think of 
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Very much going to accelerate progress exponentially very quickly.
Do we compare it to the wheel, electricity, bigger than those?
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Problem-solving is surely one component of intelligence, but the motivation to solve the problem tends to confuse say, the intelligence of apes and humans. Also, the tendency to maintain the desire to solve problems long-term, and the motivation required, might give a clue as to how to measure intelligence. For humans, I think the importance of sustained curiosity is an important ingredient. I know individuals who can solve word or math problems remarkably well but are not what I would consider highly intelligent. Probably the value of the solution to the problem is intrinsic to the level of intelligence displayed also. The curiosity part is important, I think. I keep thinking about the famous Einstein quote: “I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious.”
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