I also did it, by hand, maybe a little sloppy but similar results.
It won’t let me post the calc or excel format though.
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How did you get the numbers from the leaderboard site?
well … there’s a style attribute on it that is preventing selection … so what you need to do is:
right-click → diagnosis or something like that
then you look in the inspector for the div sheets-viewport and delete the class attribute docsshared-no-select
you should be able to just double click and edit the property of the DOM element temporarily in your browser
after that you can just copy+paste everything as you like
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Yea some explanations are in order me thinks. I am sure there is a good reason but needs to be explained
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Non earners this week are 528 in wave 2, 31740 in rewards, x10 weeks = 317400.
There are 721 qualified for wave 2 in total.
Cool, need to check that out.
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Good we took a look at it as it raises some questions, something good came out of it in the end.
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Just for completeness - 10th is a Thursday and Friday 11th doesn’t seem to have a leaderboard (otherwise numbers would become ugly…
Wave 3 seems to be running 6 weeks and according to the leaderboard has a total of 500k spread across the participants…
I really have no clue what to make from those numbers and how they fit together … But as I said rules of the game have never been clear so I am not sure there needs a precise explanation… Nonetheless it would be nice to get an info which modifiers will be used on which leaderboards to get the final number of coins in each wave…
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It is such a mess, does not instill confidence when so much is kept hidden for so long, and we keep being told everything is/will be fine, but when people dig a bit like here or using the APIs things look bad. There are many examples of this over the months, not just this or the APIs, but the GUI, partners and so on.
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It certainly doesn’t, the calculations of these waves and rewards should have been a fairly straightforward process 
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I think it’s the attempt to be fair to everyone which made it complicated and therefore even less fair and hard to understand…
little unimportant rant
… Just like with the referral coin… Or limiting referral count… Or bringing payment count+node online time into the formula for chunk pricing (of which the first one is/was responsible for one smaller price hike bug) …
Simplicity is a virtue… And nature isn’t fair… It’s always the worm that gets eaten - never the other way round…
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It looks pretty bad, this shouldn’t be and is not about money but it looks like a total disaster and that is a massive disappointment.
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Yeah, is there a single thing that has gone according to roadmap?
A project with integrity, open communications, and tightly knit cooperation with community has become something else.
I’m starting to think that the trajectory from here on is to just wait until the current constellation of smoke and mirrors goes to ruins and possibly the track of integrity is found again after that.
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I don’t know how many OG’s share this view @dirvine but I know several who do. We have just not said so publicly until recently.
Partly not wanting to believe it or sabotage anything, but in my case also because my concerns were consistently rejected, fobbed off or messages ignored.
Previously the community was included and leveraged, now it is being managed and disrespected. We know this phase has to be different, that’s not in question.
The result which only you have begun picking up on is that long term supporters are feeling like walking away eight weeks before what is supposed to be the biggest achievement so far, and the springboard towards everything that brought us together.
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Yeah, it’s painful to admit, but if we look at the plans vs. performance honestly, it’s a grim picture. But that would be OK if other things, like communications and respect, were OK.
Instead we are just being told that everything is going to be alright without first acknowledging that things are not alright. Of course everyone can see the way things are, but I would expect the management to say it out loud and take responsibility about the discrepancy between talks and actions.
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@bux, @JimCollinson, @dirvine is anyone going to address these concern’s? The fact all the supporters who were here long before me and understand this project a lot better than I ever will are now talking about walking away is shocking.
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From the many private conversations that I have had recently because the OG’s of this project have the respect not to cause drama openly at this critical time, moral is at a all time low.
Transparency, inclusion, honesty and trust need to return or all of the people who have stuck with this for an incredible amount of time are going to fade away.
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I have a horrible feeling that behind closed doors community concerns are routinely rationalised in order to brush them off, and everyone asked to focus on launch by October because then all will be well.
That’s my sense of this. A feeling of it being managed away and the wisdom and relevant experience of this community ignored time and again.
In the past my own experience in software product development and delivery was helpful in rebutting concerns raised by members of the community. That happened many times.
So many believed it should be done by “now” (back over the years) because they didn’t understanding the challenge and complexity of this project or software products in general, and all that goes into this process.
Now it feels like that lives inside Autonomi.
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It’s difficult for sure. We have a bunch of new folk and @bux has dived right into deep boiling water here. As she started I got ill and became useless for a while and I won’t be great fora. while longer.
So we have a bunch of folk learning at full speed, working with partnerships that require a working network. Otherwise why tell everyone who they are, we know some folk will email them directly and it causes pure chaos. So there is a huge amount of round the clock work happening in slack and internal channels, trying to work out a way to get the network running solidly and all the tokenomics work (I am largely out of that, but it’s a mammoth task) to get things in a row to work.
That team are doing what I cannot. So I am OK at working with the community and trying to keep things moving technically, but the dev team need solid goals and have to have targets to work towards. Otherwise many of them won’t read the forum, read the docs and much more. Why would they? I am on the forum, a few devs are also active, but all that costs focus. It’s my quandary that I want all devs on the forum, but I also want them to read all the docs, understand the design and move us forward.
Right now the dev team are moving things forward much quicker than they ever did and it’s great to see. But again can they do that and be here? It’s not easy.
So I am in a bit of a quandary, I see Bux and the team doing stuff I cannot and doing it amazingly well, they cannot talk too much about details, and that’s a shame, but it’s business. Then we have this community who are historically amazing and they want to know more.
On top of that we have the rewards program, not easy, but done for fun and to get folks involved, but I see there may be some details not right or fully documented and worked out. So it seems that program needs to work and work well for everyone and match everyone’s opinion, I am not sure, but I know community agreement is a nightmarish thing to find. We never please everyone and never can.
Bottom line, is I am not clear on the issues and it seems the rewards program is not wanted by a bunch of folk, but I am not even sure that’s true either, so I am a wee bit lost. However on the network getting to a stable and solid place that’s working, I see the progress in the last few weeks while I have been back on line a bit more.
Anyway, I am sure I will find out as I read much more, but this is a busy all day job to answer forum questions. Doing this does mean not doing anything else, we do need that balance between communicating enough, but not too much so that progress happens.
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This project is still the best by far. I still believe in the idea and in the team. These kind of obstacles are completely normal and I am surprised there aren’t more of them.
Burnout in this kind of endeavor is totally natural. We have to have compassion and respect for the people on the team and for each other.
If the rewards program needs to be simplified, we can do that. Every problem has a solution.
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