Update 24th April, 2025

Big news this week is that we received more than 60 applications for the Impossible Futures (IF) challenge which is a tremendous response. The range of applications was super diverse across the three themes of Entertainment, Knowledge and Infrastructure. We have set up a special invite-only Discord channel to support our pioneers and builders for those who made it through the initial stage, phase 1.

As @jimcollinson and @Gill_McLaughlin explained on Stages on Wednesday, builders will need to fill out a Google Sheet for each application submitted and create a page to showcase the app to the community. We’ll be turning on the previews for app builders’ profile pages shortly.

The Alpha net is ready, and @rusty.spork will be distributing tokens shortly. For builders, we will make sure you get your tokens that you need for testing on Alpha.

For the community, the voting process begins on May 7th and lasts for a week. Each vote will cost less than one ANT and voters receive one ANT back if their chosen project advances to the final 12. The cost of a vote will increase towards the end of the process to encourage early voting.

In phase 2, the final 12 will compete for prizes and backing by the community, and backers will get their Ant back along with any Backing Awards 12 months (+ 1 day) after the day they backed the app.

We put out a new version of Autonomi on Tuesday. We needed to synchronise API and other updates on the Alpha network (to be used with IF) and the production network, so please (and apologies for the lack of a changelog – time was tight) upgrade your nodes ASAP. Also, there’s an update on emissions payouts here.

What else? Oh, @seneca wrote a detailed update on plans for Project Decorum, the social network he and @bzee have been working on for a long time, as they’ve waited for the network to reach a stable state.

Plus @champii released an update (v0.3.0) for MutAnt (mutable private storage), with a focus on making it more robust and user-friendly.

@happybeing produced a new version (v0.4.3) of his decentralised website publishing framework dweb which now allows web apps to create and update public scratchpads. Thanks too for the bug report on pointers @happybeing. This is now fixed.

@traktion pushed v0.4.5 of AntTP (Serving Autonomi data over HTTP), which includes the latest v0.4.4 autonomi libs and refactors to replace stream! macro with an implementation of futures::stream trait instead. This improves readability and maintainability of the code (more to come).

And @loziniak offered a community token proposal, laying the groundwork for a project that would allow anyone to issue tokens on Autonomi.

Finally @dirvine has been dispensing nuggets of wisdom over on our YouTube channel, including on defying conformity for a better future. Have a watch and give him a like!

General progress

@anselme has been digging into our churn tests and managed to get rid of the not enough quotes issue we’ve been seeing. We still have a few missing data errors in the churn test but all other tests are green. We are getting really close to being able to upgrade the whole client side networking stack.

@chriso has been on the latest release in which we introduced features that will be in both the production and Alpha networks

Together with @anselme, Ermine continues to dig into the relationship between libp2p-quic and Quinn. The connection between these is where we are still seeing a fair few errors.

Lajos worked on testing some edge cases with the Impossible Futures maths, setting up some complex variations.

@Mick.vandijke and Qi have been investigating a churn failure with regard to the refactored client. Qi put in a fix.

@qi_ma also created a PR to set the default chunk_batch_size to 1. Upload/download tests against the Alpha network have shown this increases the success rate, especially for users with a poor connection. Users can tweak the batch_size variable for better performance, if their connection allows. Qi also raised a PR to utilise our new ELK-08 monitoring stack that @shu has been working on.

@roland worked on auto NAT detection and tracking connection errors. He also created a PR to supply network ID to Alpha net clients

Finally, @shu continues to work on the ELK monitoring stack including making improvements to its performance and efficiency.

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First! Wow :wink: Amazing update!

So many events and news, makes it necessary to extend the day three times to keep up with it, a big applause for MaidSafe and for all involved, app developers and testers! :clap: :clap:

Brilliant work! :backhand_index_pointing_left: :blush:

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Great update, packed with loads of progress! Amazing to see so many community projects coming along too! :face_holding_back_tears:

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What Traktion said. :partying_face: Things are really flying in all areas. :flexed_biceps:

I’m very excited to see how the recent client-side improvements affect things but see there are more still in the pipleline. For anyone wanting to see the impact on uploading or viewing websites with dweb, v0.5.0 (release after the update!) incorporates the latest Autonomi changes (v0.4.4). See:

I don’t have time to check these changes out myself at the moment.

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That’s a very good amount. Thanks to everyone who participated, I wish all your projects all the best regardless how far in the IF they get.

Nice to hear about all the other progress too, two things that stand out for me, are the new reward scheme an the ongoing digging into LibP2P.

We are on a good strike!

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Mark, congratulations on your 10th Anniversary Commitment to Autonomi! I think you are a pillar of this project and deserve a big word of praise for your hard work on SN/Autonomi with such dedication to be respectable! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :tada: :confetti_ball:

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How stable is now upload?

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Thanks so much to the entire Autonomi team for all of your hard work! :sweat_droplets:

It’s great to see Impossible Futures getting off to a good start too!

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Thx 4 the update and your hard work Maidsafe devs

What a great update

Really amazing that community project are now in the updates
@happybeing @traktion @loziniak @seneca @southside emission :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

This baby is crawling, what IF it starts walking :crazy_face: :clinking_beer_mugs:

Keep hacking super ants :flexed_biceps: :mechanical_arm:

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Great update and even better is the more than 60 projects submitted. As David talked about somewhere this is what we have talked about happening for ages and here we are the beginnings of the network.

So the tokens placed on projects (voting) that do not advance will lose their tokens? Thats the way it reads.

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Yes, this is a gambling scheme. 1 million tokens up for grabs. The optimal play is to wait until the last minute and put a large amount of tokens into the most voted project.

So if the other players have bet, let’s say, 100k tokens in total and you enter with 100k tokens, you end up taking 50% of the prize - 500k tokens.

It’s not something I would play, but we have people in the community with such inclinations. @Mightyfool will you try your luck in the scheme?


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I think it’s pretty fair to say that anybody backing this project or its emerging app ecosystem—in any form—is engaging in high stakes gambling. Particularly, if you are a U.S. citizen. Not challenging your claims, just pointing out that there are varying incentives for individuals who may or may not be inclined to participate.

I could be wrong about this, but as I understand it, ANT is the medium of exchange for participation. Why not include MAID as well? If IF devs and supporters are all paid out in ANT, what’s the issue?

I still have a respectable amount of resources I could put into this phase of development, but balked at the following statement:

“In phase 2, the final 12 will compete for prizes and backing by the community, and backers will get their Ant back along with any Backing Awards 12 months (+ 1 day) after the day they backed the app.”

Might be a great play for some, and absolutely support those willing to participate, but I am personally absolutely opposed to locking up resources any further.

Either way, good luck to all. Very exciting times.

Sorry I missed where the 1 million is put up.

I read it as 1 ANT per vote. So if 100K votes are place on the 12 winning projects then there is 100K ANT given out.

As you say it is akin to gambling, but not seen that way in many jurisdictions.

Is there going to be a running tally of votes?

In my thinking they would NOT show the running tallies of votes to keep it as fair as possible (@rusty.spork ??) because people will not be swayed by other’s choices. In that case you do not know where to put your 100K since you do not know if 100K is even 1/10th of the votes

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I agree. Blind vote totals would encourage folks to vote based on the merits. Otherwise, there will be a dog pile at the end for the suspected winners by big holders chasing a return pretty much wiping out the potential gains for early voters. That said, the example IF project page does have a vote total and timer.

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Now I saw the site again:

It seems there are 2 games, only the first one Vote-to-Get is gambling and you have to bet at the beginning to be in plus. Voting is on-chain and visible to everyone, so it is a gambling game aimed at tricking whales into cheating each other.


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Yes, as the update (this topic) said the 1 ANT per vote returned if you vote for one of the 12 “winners”. Can be seen as gambling

And then the 12 month locked up ANT will receive extra from the pool. 1.5 Million from that image you posted. Not like gambling at all.

Oh my mistake, and Back-to-Earn turned out to be a gambling game too, you only win if you bet on one of the 3 winners, the other 9 lose:


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The image from the first post you made says get paid for all apps that go live. The 1.5 million shares amongst all backers for apps that go live by the date.

So yes that one is betting on the app going live by the date.

The second one backs that up “Gets rewards for apps that deploy by July 16th”. Then additionally “and get a share of prizes for those that win”

A bit confusing depending on ones preconceived notion of what it is supposed to be.

So no, I do not see the only win if bet on the 3 winners. Its more get rewarded for any of the 12 that go live by the date, and additionally get a share of prizes for the top 3

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Yes, a bit of a confusing scheme, it will be interesting to see its effect. If everyone wins a share of these 1.5 million ant, they might be able to lock a few million ant out of the market.


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