Yes I can provide test ANT and ETH for the alpha network
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and it shouldnāt be too visible to the end-user anyway, bridging between ANT and orbit-ANT could be done in the client after quoting. Its the easiest available solution that is battle-tested and can sufficiently fill the gap until the real native token is finalized
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You recall correctly. MaidSafe also announced a SAFE Network Alpha 1 in August of 2016. Another two years for the native token in 2025? Itās time for the core community to go on the warpath.
Itās ok to be pissed, but what matters more is what you do about it 
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I think the core is generally pretty pleased with where we are at now and not really feeling the call to arms and going on the war path.
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Understandable. David said as much in the most recent X spaces and Iām not suggesting that you core devs kill yourselves trying to bring all the guns out. Iām just saying all the core supporters have pretty much all we need now to invoke a call to arms and go on the war path be it via IF, etc.
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I misunderstood thought you were calling for a community revolt 
Everyone who can build is building and the rest are helping test whatās being built. Iād say the community is doing the project proud and always space for new people to come join the party
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War suggests weāve got a battle, but is it really the case?
I sincerely think (setting tokenomics aside) that weāve already won (iām not being hyperbolic, i genuinely believe that) and i think you (perhaps) do too @feinberg , hence the frustration at times, which is great cos it demonstrates you want to win.
a chuckle charge 
is better, we donāt need to fight anyone because they (the other side) donāt have anything other than more leeks than a Welsh allotment and itās easier getting up every day for a chuckle (albeit a serious one) than a war. Starting out with a mindset that weāve already won is powerful
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Unlikely, as it pertains to competition, however, we have institutions to destroy. Itās already been two decades. Iām not cool with the idea of another two years here and another two years there. We have the tech. Itās time to make these bastards pay.
Id much rather slow and steady than some mad sprint that results in tripping over at the critical moment before the finish line
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I think youāre in for a serious disappointment. My prediction is at least 2 decades before we see the first million users of the network - and Iām talking about native users. I expect enterprising people to open old web portals to managed content on the network as soon as upload/download stabilizes.
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Damn, thatās grim.
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My prediction is that youāll be very wrong on this oneā¦if it takes 20 years to get 1m users, itās a failure, and Iām expecting better than that!
The network is very close to having an offering many millions of people can benefit from, so I donāt see why itād take near that time to get 1m+ users.
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I hope youāre right, but how can you be so sure when:
lol, this can happen overnight if we can make Cryptokitties 2. I think youāre way too pessimistic here.
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I hate to entertain that idea, but I could see it taking another half decade if it continued to be a hobby/passion project for OG supporters and community devs. If the initial IF apps are any indicator, there is zero chance that will ever be the case. The growing pains are a lot worse than I assumed they would be, but we are in entirely uncharted territory now and I believe they will be short lived. To go two decades without a million native, we would have to fly under the radar for the next 3-4 altcoin seasons, which seems virtually impossible to me. I know the world is rapidly evolving and other tech is emerging, but we donāt presently have any real competition so I am having a hard time giving any real credence to your claim. Would love to hear your thoughts though.
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I donāt think this project welcoming other developers, as they are the boss. They do whatever they want, no standardised deployment procedures. Seriously, really terrible feeling with my friends building something on it, and crashed. You never know what is their building environment, gcc version, any testing? Really like being a dumb working on something great for a fkin month, then everything failed because of that.
I have unplugged everything this morning. Draining even more resources, no rewards, upgraded nodes from official binary, crashed error from the 1st line! Seriously!?
Who knows these will happen, only themselves! Is it welcoming other developers? Supporting this project since IPO, now whatš
competition in what though? ICP, Arweave together already cover the majority of use-cases autonomi seeks to cover, taking away mind-share from these that have hundreds of millions in funding, 5y+ of community building and already quite large ecosystems with hundreds of dapps wonāt be easy. You need a specific use-case that appeals to an average person where autonomi is verifiably better at (so not speed). The only thing I can think of is ultra-hardened against attempts to take it down&privacy, but in that case there is almost no material I have read that go into detail into how it achieves that or suggests that gov agencies couldnāt just run nodes to log IPs of people uploading copyright infringing material.
Dimitar has likely the highest experience with hands-on marketing of this project out of anyone on this board, and pretty likely more experience than the rest of us combined.
There is this idea here that surely a big bang app that shoots this project into a spotlight will appear, and people may just start pouring in, but while not impossible, itās a naive plan A, to which there is a plethora of alternatives many of which seem more realistic.
Miracles seldom happen when expected.
Dimitar is a great guy and has been a loyal advocate for years. Not sure where this big bang theory is coming from as the project was and has been seen as all encompassing by many for years.
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