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[Toivo]

@aatonnomicc

I sailed with a Finnish captain for my first two years of my apprenticeship at sea from 16 years old and if he was a good benchmark I would not ever try invading Finland they are proper nut jobs

Would love to hear more about that!

But to be honest, no, I don’t think we are any tougher than anyone else, Russian, Brit, Scott, Chinese, whatever… From what I have read, it’s pretty universal thing, that if you take a bunch of men an order them to shoot the enemy, it’s about 15% of them that actually try to hit the men on the other side - even if their own life it at risk because of the other coming at you.

Rest of them don’t even fire the gun, or deliberately aim to the sky, bushes etc. Which paints a bit more hopeful picture of the mankind.

Then again, that’s why experienced professional troops are so much more effective, because almost all of them shoot to hit.

But, then again… I work nowadays at a construction site. Physical labour, on the ground. And one of the best moments was when I asked some help from a guy, who turned out to be Russian, and didn’t speak finnish or english. We had to do with the russian I know, which is like: yes, no, thanks… and of course a bunch of gestures. He was very helpful, I got my job done, and was left thinking that if only we would treat folks in our own company with same attitude that unknown russian and finnish guy treat each other at this time and age, our company would be much better off.

Then again, there’s kind of unique pleasure in helping a stranger, at least in my view, compared to helping someone you know - nevermind nationality or some such. Maybe it’s just that we like to help, give and offer, especially when there’s no risk of that constellation to become a permanent one?

@Southside

All politcal jousting aside, Im sorry you are having a tough time. I can certainly empathise with you in being skint and “over-extended” both financially and socially in a crypto project.

Been there, done that and still have the unsold T-shirts (and mugs).
Hang in there pal and lets hope things turn around for you. In the meantime, try to get plenty sleep, exercis and a modicum of political reality. You have an arsehole for a leader, do what you can to get rid of her.

Thanks for your kind words. It’s not all bad though. I’ve been taking jobs that I would never been taking, if I’d been in a better economical situation. And as unpleasant as my thoughts of those jobs have been, the reality has been much, much better. Pay is not great, but I have learned a lot, both practically and “about life”, other people, myself etc. And enjoyed a lot, too.

I agree our leader is an arsehole, but to get rid of… her?

[Southside]

@Toivo

I got my job done, and was left thinking that if only we would treat folks in our own company with same attitude that unknown russian and finnish guy treat each other at this time and age, our company would be much better off.

Then again, there’s kind of unique pleasure in helping a stranger, at least in my view, compared to helping someone you know - nevermind nationality or some such. Maybe it’s just that we like to help, give and offer, especially when there’s no risk of that constellation to become a permanent one?

yaay to that
lets work together - call it socialism, communisn, communalism or whtever
Im for that.

A great man, who most of you will never had heard of sadly (insert rant about censorship) said in a famous graduation speech

The rat race is for rats, don’t be a rat

and thats most of what you have to know.

Jimmy Reid

apart from rust…

[Toivo]

Thanks for the link. Nice move the “work-in”

This gave me some laughs:

The campaign was also well-backed financially, and at one meeting for the campaign, Jimmy Reid was able to announce that the campaign had received a £5,000 contribution from John Lennon, to which an attendee replied “but Lenin’s deid!” (dead).

EDIT: Actually the above was not from your link, but here:

Upper Clyde Shipbuilders

[Southside]

Its a fascinating story on many levels.
As with many things there were good bits and some unfortunate not-so-good bits.
But they did it together with a common purpose for the general good.
And thats what inspires me about this project, no matter our (hopefully temporary ) political differences.

I say hopefully temporary cos the GoodGuys are winning and you will obey the GoodGuys - OK ?

[Toivo]

@Southside

GoodGuys are winning and you will obey the GoodGuys - OK ?

No… but I think I could kill an enemy without a need to hate him. Would you see that as a middle ground?

In reality I think I would be one of those shooting to the sky. (Kind of tragic that I think about these sort of things nowadays much more often than few years ago.)

[Southside]

@Toivo

but I think I could kill an enemy without a need to hate him. Would you see that as a middle ground?

No sure about that - ask me when Im sober

I hope we would all shoot to the sky, but sometimes the rats need exterminated so us normal folk can just get on with it.

Dont be a rat - or a (unwitting) stooge for the bankers

[scottefc86]

@Toivo

I work nowadays at a construction site. Physical labour, on the ground.

@Toivo

And as unpleasant as my thoughts of those jobs have been, the reality has been much, much better. Pay is not great, but I have learned a lot, both practically and “about life”, other people, myself etc. And enjoyed a lot, too.

Us peasants aren’t as bad as we are made out to be

[Toivo]

Yes. I was expecting to hear a lot of racist talk for example, and to have a radio blasting full on on the most boring commercial station, and a sort of cynicism in the air everywhere.

Instead, I haven’t heard a single (blatantly) racist remark during the few months I’ve been there. At least not more than anywhere else, and certainly much less than I expected. There’s no radio anywhere and almost all the cynicism I have seen is directed towards the directors and quite often, though not always, warranted.

Then there’s a sort of belonging I feel in that surrounding. Possibly because of my background in a very working class family. A joke I once heard comes to my mind:

“I stared at the bottom… and realized I like it there!”

Before the construction job, I was working as personal assistant for disabled and / or sick people for a short period of time. That’s something I can recommend to anyone. A job laced with a sense of meaningfulness and an eye opener in so many ways.

I was helping a guy who had his both legs amputated from thighs. And another who was from a middle eastern county, had a progressing disease which had lead him to a wheelchair and would lead to grave in a few years. There he was, divorced, no common language with Finns, trying to learn some Finnish. Getting up from bed was like a ten minute exercise, but he managed to do that himself, let alone a couple of small things. He was a muslim and I’m more or less an atheist, but I surely wish he finds refuge in his god.

Disconnection from all of this, that would have followed from having all the money I have wished for, would have kept me a worse person than I am now. And it’s not just the perspective I have gained, it’s also all the abilities I have found in myself.