btw. @dirvine since there has been a lot of confusion in the media about SAFEnet not using a blockchain… what would you say is SAFE’s equivalent to Bitcoins blockchain (referring to a similarily relevant and novel [to most users] term)?
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Yep… the “project” part gets in the way bigtime. And that is what I was responding to initially. SAFE is slick. SAFE access for everyone. Can you market SAFE on its own? IMO in needs more and could easily fail to deliver. It needs a big sister, it needs to be flavored in sauce made of decentralized hi-tech, secure, internet, anonymity.
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That’s the science of banner ads, the world of click through rates. Honestly I hope they won’t spend too much resource on that kind of marketing cause I think the growth of Safe will be much more organic then that. Word of mouth will be the strongest vector to get people interest in Safe. And luckily, Safe comes with a bunch of features that will make people talk a lot about it. I said it before and I’ll repeat it again, Safe will sell itself. No worries there.
Doesn’t mean they can’t work on the message or the brand, but they are far from starting from zero. I hope.
EDIT: I somehow replied to @Artiscience instead of @BIGbtc. My mistake.
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We’re all rooting for the same team.
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A blockchain to me is a design pattern (see here Bitcoin blockchain is not a thing, it’s a design pattern | Metaquestions ) These notions now are being taken to extremes in banks whee these design patterns do not work (they need POW or similar and an economic incentive to decentralise).
Bitcoin does an amazing job at providing a clever and successful way of using a blockchain so far anyway.
In SAFE the approach is very different, it’s secured data on a secured network of unsecured & uncontrolled computers.
So again like bitcoin it uses maths to provide security, but also decentralises the consensus. So not proof of work, but proof of resource. The network can monitor manage and pay out for resource provided.
The main difference though is we do this for all data types (ar are trying to), not only transactions. Any data type can be secured, not only it’s hash, but the whole data item itself. This security applies to ledger data, encrypted data, public data, speeches, words, thoughts, etc. any data.
It’s hard for me to express the differences in a neat clever and non confrontational way, but in short I would say we have taken a different route from bitcoin for similar reasons. A longer tougher path, but potentially one which will allow all the worlds data to be safe and all the worlds people to access it.
Data to me is more than money, money is a small part of the species information, it’s the thing money measures we want to protect as well as the money 
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So, “decentralized consensus” could be the tag term?
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It’s what all animals do, even us humans
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Did you just describe the SAFE Network?
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Right, but my question is rather which could be the term (in comparison to Bitcoin’s “blockchain”) that refers to the backbone of the technology. While the consensus over one blockchain is what makes Bitcoin unique, SAFE takes this to a different level.
Yes I struggle here. my long answer is the 3 points
- Secure data beyond encryption - logically and physically
- Create an autonomous network to store this on (as humans are not good at adhering to rules)
- Create a mechanism for people to be able to log in and use such a thing
Sorry it’s not a good way to do it, I mean tagline wise. The number of papers and libraries are quite high so boiling it down has always been an issue.
A phrase I did like was “the peoples network”.
In terms of bitcoin, the difference is
bitcoin does money - SAFE does all data ?
does == remove people from the middle (intermediaries)
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SAFE… Secure Network, Secure Data
~Secure Access For Everyone ~
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I always thought that the random consensus in XOR space was the equivalent to the blockchain.
The SAFE conference: Break free from your blockchain, embrace the freedom of the XOR space!
or something…
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Were building “the peoples internet”
“Wait, you mean the internet is not the peoples?.. I have some questions”
Well, it’s all about Safecoin really… 
I have explained safe net to others as a network where data is hidden in plain sight. It gets blank looks at first, but then the penny drops - network and data security without firewalls and locked cages.
It is like there needs to be a descriptive/concise name for the technology itself. What describes the core behavior as a design pattern itself?
Consensus Matrix? Quorum Grid? Something like that maybe?
Yeah, I’m playing around with something like Random Access XOR Space but it doesn’t convey it all correctly. And RAXS sounds a bit lame.
I like the word quorum, maybe something like Random Quorum in Xor Space. RQXS, Ruxus, lol.
EDIT: i must give credits to the blockchain, it as a catchy name.
EDIT2: Or Random Access Mesh Concensus, Ram C
The symbol for XOR is ⊕ which is an ancient one, denoting the Earth.
The Earth is a globe and, as I’ve previously noted, XOR space suggests geodesic relationships.
It would not be hard to tack together SVG’s of the symbol in a vector graphic application such as Adobe Illustrator (Windows, OSX) or Inkscape (Linux), in the form of a net, such as I posted previously (which I had found on the Internet).
Notice that the symbol is a side-on representation of a globe bisected by two great circles (i.e., circles whose center and radius is the same as that of the Earth). One could draw a globe bisected similarly, but tilted a bit to bring out its three-dimensionality.
I think SAFE’s equivalent is “close group consensus”.
For example, it’s mentioned in this blog post: Consensus Without a Blockchain.
What we need is a decentralised consensus mechanism that is both fast and secure. But, how do you reach consensus rapidly on an increasingly large group of decentralised nodes without compromising security?
The answer lies within close groups. Close group consensus comprises utilising a small group, a fraction of the network size, to state a position for the whole network. This removes the need for the network to communicate with all nodes.
It’s also mentioned many times in Safe Network explained using bitcoin terminology.
The blockchain is the most important innovation of bitcoin. The purpose of the blockchain is to achieve consensus for the state of data in the bitcoin network.
The safe network addresses the same problem as the blockchain, namely that of consensus, but does not use a blockchain. The major innovation introduced by the safe network to solve the consensus problem is called ‘close group consensus’.
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Network is the term I dislike the most, network of what?
Utilizing David’s preference, the combinations I could see working in that context are:
(a) Safe Network ~ The People’s Internet
-or-
(b) SafeNet ~ The People’s Network
(a) seems stronger, due to the familiarity of ‘internet’
Somehow I could see this as the symbol for Safecoins. Easy to reproduce and it symbolism conveys a lot of meaning.
EDIT: Maybe an S could find it’s way in there. Somehow.
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