For Moscow it’s basically either 5 EUR for 500 Mbit/s or 9.9 EUR for 1Gbit/s.
Although haven’t met more than 1 Gbps. Might be at smaller ISPs
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It’s important to have a logical method for finding the right components to buy at the lowest cost to generate the best performance. We don’t want people wasting money on gear and then finding out later the stuff they bought doesn’t work well and having to start over. If the network parameters are changing it may be risky to spend a lot of money now.
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The idea is that for most, they don’t buy anything but use existing equipment.
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That’s a great idea. Just use existing equipment.
Personally, I have almost no equipment. I might not be able to generate much rewards compared to other people.
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I think most people outside this forum will be in that position, which is good. If the rewards issued by the network are spread around widely amongst a lot of people, we’ll achieve a very important goal.
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That is ideal but won’t always be possible. For example, of the 10 or so people I’m hoping to get involved using existing equipment won’t be an option for 2 or 3 of them and for a couple of others it would be possible but not sensible. It’s coming down to lack of suitable hardware, not wanting to leave the big computer on all the time or not having the space to leave an old laptop switched on where it won’t be fiddled with by small children or pets. For those I’m probably going to end up buying them something, putting it together and installing it or shipping it with really good instructions on how to get it working.
So I think we still need ways for people to determine what to buy. And some example builds with the reasoning behind them.
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I agree it won’t work for all but making this possible should be a priority for the project.
So until we know it is the case, people shouldn’t be given the idea they need to leave devices on 24x7 to earn. That was a requirement when we had node-age etc, but it should be possible to just switch on and start earning, and switch off without penalty.
I’m not sure that’s feasible yet, but hopefully it will be. If we can have nodes run on almost any device we should cover a lot of situations.
I think the main issue will come down to bandwidth. Without that almost everyone would be able to run a node on their phone, but I guess we’re a way off that. I just upped my mobile allowance to unlimited while we figure that one out!
My comments are aimed at keeping in mind where we want to get rather than accepting where we are now. For beta, sure, but not longer term.
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Unsure if this is off-topic here right now
On Discord just there , I just asked @JimCollinson if he could confirm I was one of the 175 in Wave 1
Almost immediately a message pops up from Discord user @cryptowod <— no not a forum member - at least not under that name.
Anyhow this chancer wants me to join some alleged #support-ticket channel
I didn’t cos I’m daft, no stupid.
Be very aware that as this whole thing hots up there WILL be phishing attempts and some will be a lot more subtle than that loser just there.
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I can’t wrap my head around these guys, to be doing what they do they have a small amount of functioning brain cells yet they got to a point in life where this is how they want to pay the bills, it is way beyond me.
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Well that is if there are enough people in the area to spawn FTTC ‘Fiber to the Curb’,
For instance here in Ontario and Quebec (67% of the population which they say with the mass immigration the past 9 years is now 41M) Bell Canada will run Fibre to ‘Headend’ Hubs placed strategically in suburbs to keep the last 50-100yard run (in older neighbourhoods its still aerial) and then selectively based on sales send out a contract technician to run the new fibre into the home.
The reality is there is a sales war going on, and the cable guys are fighting back with 10 year fixed contract pricing to lock people in. In this town Belleville, Coax
hi/low channel split Cable has ruled the roost since the 60s (more download bandwdith 80% download/20%upload ) which is the case with Cogeco.
Here in Ontario Bell Actually charges 85.00/month for 50/50Mbit mid split over fibre and after two years jacks rate to CDN $115.00 , sure you can get faster FTTC services …
And here is the price diff for the first two years if you sign a three year agreement, in the third year the price goes up at least 30% on all these packages
The reality is in these secondary towns and teritiary village and rural connectivity markets, the majority of Canadians are not rich and disposable ‘take home’ or increadingly govt ‘pogie’ handout income is spent these days 40-50% just on rent or home mortgage, the rest on monthly heating, power and water/sewer/garbage disposal bills and then on food, with very little left over to pay for higher speed internet.
So making Autonomi work in these markets which represent 80% of Canadians means Win11 and crap expensive upload bandwidth running in i510thgen as the baseline, plus the install and update has to be ’ automatic dead simple’ to use to get adoption on Win 11.
The Same capabilities and application requirements are more or less true for 70% of the US market in these secondary cities/town and tertiary village and rural markets. Bigger Distances for Fibre and Cable mean 2X/4X higher infra. capital costs vs EU/UK . where these longer cable/trenching capex costs are passed on to the consumer.
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Il be testing on two lines, one at 1gb/500mb other is 2.7gb symmetric and about to be installed. Will there be builds for power9?
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If you can compile Rust for power9 then it might work for you. Need to ask the devs but my suspicion is that Power9 will not be a priority for them at this time,
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5-6 years ago I tested setting up storj farms at friends and the experience showed me that anything other than a laptop means I have to physically go to the place if something goes wrong, which happened more than once…
Privacy. Security. Freedom
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use anydesk.com its free for all platforms for personal use, installed on your machine and theirs, makes remote support work easy.
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My current thinking, which may change, is that its going to be very much a mixed bag. Computer usage is varied across people, lifestyles, culture, age, etc. Unfortunately there is not going to be a one size fits all and the way Maidsafe have done this is a great plus for adoption by people since the node & client will be able to run on most devices out there that can be used by people for general use. Basically if you can browse the internet on the device then the device can run node/client, yes there are exceptions. But maybe not suitable due to personal circumstances or internet connection capabilities.
So my thoughts are that people who have motivation to enrich the network will, if possible, use a multi prong approach. That is use their primary device (laptop/Desktop) for normal or extended hours to run some nodes and then also have another device that they can leave on 24/7 running some/many/bulk of the nodes they run. This/these device(s) could be a NAS, RPi/similar, old laptop, maybe even router, etc and preferred to be low powered.
The general public who just want to run a node or many to earn some pocket change tokens or for uploads, will prob run nodes on one device and this could be left on 24/7 or not, depends on their habits.
Then there are the phone only people and this will be an area where we need a simple way to install a node (or two) and allow all those phones to be a part of the network. @anon26713768 so far is leading the way with proving its possible and not power hungry and will move between networks without losing node connectivity.
What I see happening when we are more confident in the hardware/power requirements for running nodes is a few configurations of h/w. For example a RPi style of node runner, a old laptop style, etc and there will be instructions for installing linux and setup of nodes. Also major brands of NAS install. Also docker instructions. And hopefully detailed enough that a Autonomi for dummies booklet could be made from them
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Nah you shouldnt need to. There are plenty devices with BMCs.
Autonomi tokens is not really crypto though, but just tokens (digital tokens), no crypto in it other than it does use encryption and many things use encryption that is clearly not crypto.
In some respects we need to move away from coins, and crypto project in our wording as they are just leftovers of people involved in crypto projects.
Maybe minor points but does mould the way people see Autonomi being a project for new internet and storage rather than a crypto coin project for moving crypto coins and related things.
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I’m calling it crypto because these things will have value outside of the system they were created on. Calling it a token would make it like a subway token or an arcade token with no cash value.
It’s my understanding that there will be exchanges where these coins can be exchanged for fiat or Bitcoin. That gives them external value.
Am I wrong about this? Are these tokens totally worthless outside the Autonomi network?
They are in reality tokens, in-network tokens, and why they cannot be a security. When you misname them as coins then people (general public) consider them as potential securities and why the SEC seems to be able to arbitrary call any crypto a security and not have the public push back.
Crypto comes from the crypto calculations to validate the blockchain entries (transactions).
Autonomi uses a system of checking valid inputs and outputs, no cryptology calculations involved.
The tokens like anything can be bought and sold and of course traded. You can trade anything, countries trade food, goods, hardware, fiat, etc. In-game tokens and in-network tokens can be traded. Even be able to do that (trade goods etc) on crypto exchanges if there was a market for it
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