I tried to use discord and I couldn’t register without a mobile number. This was a few years ago. It was a hard NOPE from me. It makes contributing to OS soft dev more tricky tho.
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The team is working towards what you want, as is the community.
For example, using tarchives reduce the cost of uploading many smaller files. Maidsafe are working on something like this too.
Ofc, the blockchain is more expensive than we would like too. We have a couple of threads discussing native token options. I hope this area will improve too, given time.
If the network is no good for you right now, come back in a few months or a year and see where things are at.
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Imagine a time traveller who gets caught in 1995 and goes to use the internet after being used to 2020 internet. They’d be shit what is this, cannot do much on it and what the hell is MSN* and why would I have to pay $5 per month to even be able to see any websites, let alone access them.
That is a bit like what Autonomi is today. But of course with all the advancements in hardware, networking, and importantly experience/expertise of people creating apps, tools etc. I’d suggest that the speed on innovation will be many times faster than compared to the jungle of the late 1990’ and early 2000’s when no one really knew what would be great for an internet
*MSN - back then microsoft network was Microsoft’s attempt to own the internet by “suggesting” websites only be able to be accessed by internet-explorer (to be branded explorer for MSN) and has an active MSN account. IT FAILED thankfully due to rebel browser 
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I put in my notice to my boss today. They didn’t fire me outright, so looks like my last day is the 17th of this month. Then I’m full time app development 
I’ve been keeping up on the posts here. I like all the stuff @rreive posted, but it kind of depends on how many people we get. That’s a lot of complexity to throw in right off the bat. To start (in my opinion), I think we focus on something we can deliver as a group in a reasonable amount of time, along with an agreement on how we share any returns. Feel it out for a while, if all is good and we continue, we definitely need to go down this road in order to stay organized.
After IF finishes up I’ll setup a kickoff meeting where we can determine interest and next steps. I’ve got 8 people on my list of interested parties so far. Anyone else interested in joining this co-op feel free to write here or DM me. We don’t just need app developers either! If you can put hours in doing marketing, sales, branding, QA/test, documentation, everything that moves us in the right direction is what we need!
I have been busy reading up on a bunch of other distributed technologies and thinking about how we can leverage Autonomi. From a high level, it seems that a lot of these projects are very busy focusing on their own issues and solving things internally. Combining several of these libraries I think we have everything we need to build some apps that can take on the big dogs with UX your standard user expects. Exciting times!!
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good plan, that said better to start with a bucket of ideas then bottom of the barrel stuff. 
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duplicitous is the ‘kind’ word used in these situations…
as measured now the economic model of Autonomi is found wanting,
that said an actual highly visible social event driven marketing effort to get upload traffic to actually appear is what is needed,
and that means incentives,
as it’s unrealistic to expect mass adoption will be entirely philantrhopically inspired.
Even then, after upload traffic starts to generate some awards of monthly substance to support the above monthy use habit,
the the economic model to be REALLY effective, that is generating enough ANT in your wallet monthly to be spent mostly on uploads needs a boost with added capabilities.
That’s what the Autonomi Developer Co-op is actioning as I write this.
What do the US Marines say? “No g__ts (Gumption) no Glory”?
Jumping in is the right action, and grabbing a task that fits your skill set and passion,
as the first co-op effort materializes to build that additive quality is what it’s going to take from the community..
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Maybe something like Colony but for people to create their own video/media channel (akin to a youtube channel) where they can upload their video/media and people can search it. Each person owns their channel and controls it.
Colony is perhaps the start of this but changed to focus on ease of curating their media to be served to the world. Initially just the media they upload then future dev is to provide in the app the ability to transcode their media for lower resolution and so on. Then live streaming as a much later addition.
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Well done for taking this step. I hope it becomes something very rewarding for you.
Gathering people with different skills to band together and make something better than what individuals can do on their own seems like a great idea for this community.
It’ll be interesting to see what ideas the coop decide to run with first, and how that idea creation & decision making process will go
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Q) Is a Federated P2P/Local P2P Cloud Network viable with @rreive CanMan and bits and bobs, resulting in locally run apps with sub-10ms response time.. And if a nodes as a service (NAAS) type thing could be developed (?) where each person gets one portion only, managed through eg a membeship structure could this help prevent centralization (node whales) or Sybil attacks?
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Short Answer is Yes.
Long Answer: (Jellyfin supported setup I am playing with)
That type of sub 10 ms response will minimally need an gen 12 i5 or better running stripped down Linux Host OS on at least 8GB , running only the essentials, so one can run canman+incus/LXD and two minimally CRUD two(2) minimal LXC(Alpine Guest OS included) system containers of say 2GB each Hos OS (Linux Ubuntu 24.04.3) with those containers prioritized in a cgroup, which each have individual private IP addresses Routes (do not use the ETH0 Bridge default in incus/LXD, it’s not secure when the app in the containers is accessed from the WAN) to the Cable Modem/Router accessing the ISP,
With this type of latency requirement of <10ms, We are talking memory to memory speeds here on the local LAN setup, if your app is disk bound for I/O then that type of response time is not going to happen using x1 on PCIe 3.0 bus hardware reliably, especially if this is an app ,(which should also have a largish RAM cache for streaming say extra 500MB RAM in container), like say python flask web server serving up pages of content, the latter being pulled from the drive.
If your app in the container is servicing remote WAN connections then what ever the ISP is giving you in up/down speeds is an important factor to considers as well, given what other ISP access traffic is competing with it.
I run this configuration on the above as a dev/test deployment laptop… before deployment to NUC test targets.
The canman build described is really initially targeted for a Minimally capable (and super cheap) SKU that looks like this
12GB Intel Core N150 with 2 TB storage on PCIe gen3 bus connected to NVME drives with
four(4) 512GB SSD M.2 2280 Strips running on x1 lanes over PCIe Gen3 (in NUC form).
Right now that NEW config we have costed online to be CDN $ 438.00 retail , ordering the NUC separately as a base unit , ordering the RAM and Storage separately from other vendors. (So there are shipping costs to consider).
The reported Beelink ME mini emulating the above using an i3 has been confirmed by multiple online reports to be sipping power at rest 8 Watts and we estimate operating to serve x4 2GB containers running 16-24 antnodes each over x4 lanes on Gen3 to drive total system resource consumption to 60% CPU and a around 16 Watts , where that ME mini NUC can peak to 21 Watts (whipser fan turns on full speed), if the heat range jumps past 64C , so ventilation is important to keep the power draw at 16 Watts.
fyi- The Geekom NUCs in our lab are two(2) i7 Geekom IT12s are a bit over kill for Autonomi use price and performance wise, plus the IT12 is too heavy/pricey for CPU and RAM and a bit light on total allowed storage capacity to run full 35 GB nodes. we use these systems to test out other stuff too.
Brave AI Search produces this spec below for the IT12
The GEEKOM Mini IT12 is a compact, high-performance mini PC designed to compete with Intel NUC models, featuring a footprint of 11.7 x 11.2 centimeters and a weight of 652 grams. It is available with multiple processor options, including the 12th Gen Intel Core i7-1280P (14 cores, 20 threads, up to 4.8 GHz), the i9-12900HK (14 cores, 20 threads, up to 5.0 GHz), and the i5-12450H (8 cores, 12 threads, up to 4.40 GHz). The system supports dual-channel DDR4-3200 SODIMM memory, with configurations of 16GB or 32GB, expandable up to 64GB. Storage is provided via a primary M.2 2280 PCIe Gen 4 x4 SSD (512GB or 1TB), with additional expansion options for a second M.2 2242 SATA SSD and a 2.5" SATA HDD. It features integrated graphics, Intel Iris Xe Graphics for the i9-12900HK and i7-1280P, and Intel UHD Graphics for the i5-12450H. Connectivity includes 3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 ports, 2 USB4 ports, 1 USB 2.0 port, 1 SD card reader, 1 x 3.5 mm headphone jack, 1 x 2.5GbE LAN port, 2 x HDMI 2.0 ports, a DC jack, and a power button. The device supports Wi-Fi 6E (Intel AX211) and Bluetooth 5.2, and comes with a 19V, 90W power adapter. It includes a VESA mount, HDMI cable, user guide, and a thank-you card in the box. The system runs Windows 11 Pro and includes a Kensington lock slot for security.
canman is WIP , right now its parked… day job in the way. ;/
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Great 
Not suggesting this is an option for the immediate short term it was more a curiosity and psychology (boost) question . If this is possible (and it is, but nuanced) and we all know it then we carry ourselves differently in our activities in regards to what we are doing today. with an eye on tomorrow (the future)
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Agree 100%. We need to find many ways to generate revenue. Some for the developers, but the vast majority should go to the content creators. You’re not going to pull people from YouTube if you’re not going to pay the folks generating the traffic. Since we can run our software for 0 cost to ourselves, we have the opportunity to have a much higher pay out rate for folks creating content. This will be our competitive edge against the current tech oligopoly.
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I have an idea for an anyone who can install an app, app based on dweb, but hardly any time.
It would fit well as an enhancement to Colony or an app with Colony built in. I’m very excited about it - and even have a name in mind 
- but as you know, very little time for even dweb.
It’s for communities, clubs, friends and family etc, and would also fit well with Friends (cc @riddim), as it is intended to have social features, but without the regular users needing to do or know anything about crypto, wallets etc to use it, even for posting to Autonomi.
Most people would be invited by a friend or community member, install the app and bingo: social features with that group using adweb based Autonomi app such as Friends, with uploads and search courtesy of Colony etc.
I’ve no need to make money from this so I’d be happy to give the idea away if anyone seriously would like to build it. I could collaborate by helping specify the features and implementation, and so long as those meet the goals I set (see opening para) don’t care if you find a suitable appropriate way to monetize it. That’s the only degree of control I think I’d like to retain really: to ensure that it is usable by and easily accessible to the maximum possible number of regular people.
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I think a lot of us have the same vision. The goal will be to build something very close to what you describe. It sounds like you’re wanting to join in the fun
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I’d be happy to build this. I just lack time, so it will fall to others for the foreseeable future. I’m ok with that.
What matters is that we get this into the hands of anyone who wants what the network offers, and for now we’re a long way from that, and I’m not aware of any concrete plans to deliver universal accessibility.
I think this is possible now, no need to wait for Autonomi to solve anything, hence my post here.
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some reference What/ifs (we get rid of all the centralized tangle) with github links to FOSS
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more
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Then you have to change topic’s title
I disagree:
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My idea for a community app, let’s call it The Village, would I think easily scale to many “villages” of a modest number of “villagers” (say a few hundred to a thousand ish), per village, group, club etc. Each with its own local donation and earning based funding where villagers who don’t have crypto and don’t wish to run nodes will automatically be funded by the community (everyone in the village).
In such a model I expect a high, much higher than in other contexts, proportion of Villages will opt in to share a proportion of funds with developers and maintainers of the app. In fact, the developers would use the same app to share proceeds with funds coming from other villages (groups using the app).
Each village has a wallet address for the whole village, from which funds are taken and given to the wallets of each villager as it runs low. Recipients need never learn the word crypto, and will be able to run a few nodes using the app, sharing the earnings with the main village wallet. Only one person in the whole village needs to know anything about crypto/ANT and saving the wallet seed for the main wallet. Everyone else will just need to be able to install and use a standard app that supports things like Friends chat, Colony search/publish, browsing via dweb and a standard browser etc.
This could be an evolution of Colony or just a step up from a dweb (built as a standalone app), with chat using Friends and built on from there.
I share it here because I do not have the time to build this, excited though I am about the prospects of it reaching the masses, finally.
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