Awesome! This is really interesting stuff. One of the first things we’ll need to do is sort out governance, so this is perfect timing. I’ll read through the docs on this. Good to have working models we can leverage.
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instead of calling the initial ‘stitch up’ skunkworks let’s call it antworks? 
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Or maybe “nestbuilding” As in ant nest
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Seems fantastic! I’d add liquid democracy (ability to delegate votes) to this, what do you think?
Speaking of co-op governance, I’d throw to the basket of interesting ideas a concept of DisCO – Distributed Cooperative Organization, as an alternative to DAO. Some good resources are also on RadicalxChange or MetaGov.
Nice tool, would be nice to have it on Autonomi, to dogfeed us 
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for sure liquid is applicable, not sure how that would get implemented as an add on to Gov4Git, which more or less works as configured. Would take more research, probably a phase 2 or 3 item?
Thanks for the other links , will be looking at this tonight after work Eastern Canada time, busy day…
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Something else to consider in this emerging Autonomi Network co-op community is to get behind the development of the community token effort currrently on @ ? ’s shoulders.
Governance aside, the design of the Network’s money (not currency) is fundamental to the creation of value -add , non-debaseable currencies adding value on top of that money foundation.
Consider the following comparison of ‘money systems’
So that is the challenge, we all want to break out of the current money matrix
But to what exactly?
Eliminating Fractional Reserve Banking as the mechanism to create credit should be a goal as should tru price discovery of the store of value on which the currency is based.
This is why BTC is deeply flawed in that it simply sops up the fiat of the current system and keeps the same fractionalized usury system in place relabelled DEFI, where BTC’s own inflated market cap is again driven partially/largely by BTC Hodlr created scarcity to drive up price and drive increase in demand.
This is not a prosperity model.
Implementing Autonomi Network on modest hardware anybody can acquire for a really low price is a prosperity model which is emerging for the general population because the Autonomi code keeps getting more efficient to be able to run more antnodes on increasingly less expensive and more powerful and efficient cpus (ie the N150) together with storage media and cheap network bandwidth, which are effectively monetized in yield earning stores of value.
So the co-op community effort working on this ‘desired’ prosperity model of currency and money to me is what is really big!
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I will re-edit and add a table, need to jump on a call..
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I’m glad @rreive and @loziniak are on here, I haven’t wrapped my brain around the token aspect of this whole thing 
. This will be a keystone of the effort though. Working together we can get these aspects built in from the start.
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crypto, revenue, startups. Three words I never wanted to hear around this project. Thank god for Veilid.
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Given that Autonomi is a startup that raised revenue by selling a crypto token in 2014, you should have come across those words relating to this project well before now.
Autonomi is for everyone, so of course won’t exclude people using it for commercial as well as other reasons / motivations.
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Sorry, I need to feed my kids and pay the bills. I would happily work through donations instead, but my projects have generated exactly $0 as of today. If you wish to donate to my efforts, I am accepting crypo here:
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BTC:
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ETH/AUTONOMI/USDC:
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Your contributions are much appreciated.
I’ve only just skimmed this, it looks very interesting. The fact that it is a library written in rust means I should be able to just plug this thing in and automatically be able to use that network for sending data around. Do you have any experience with their apps or know of any contacts in that project you’d be willing to introduce me to?
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I finished reading through their developer book. Thie Veilid library is really cool. I was looking for something exactly like this to do onion routing of messages between nodes and I can just bake this into Colony as yet-another rust library. Now I’m wondering how far this can go. Maybe this could be used as a P2P connection between instances of our Autonomi apps? I’ve also been reading about zk-STARKs, using Facebook’s winterfell rust library. Maybe there is a way to combine Autonomi (for data storage), Veilid (for the P2P conection of computers for messages), and winterfell (to handle proofs for verifying computation handled at the client level, which could give us compute for apps). We could run a separate Veilid network as well, could add the Autonomi native token on top to pay for compute if we didn’t want it to be voluntary. Need to keep reading…
Edit: there is also the starkware stwo-cairo library that is really intersting for zk-STARKs, supposedly much faster and mobile friendly.
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I recalled, that we started something in the likes, the High-level datatypes library with some kind of 'governance" by approval of pull requests:
https://github.com/safenetforum-community/autonomi-extra/pulls
But it never took off due to pending approvals (@happybeing & @RolandR, a reminder hihihi!).
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I also wrote the Autonomi Improvement Proposal process spec here: aips/aip-0001.md at main · safenetforum-community/aips · GitHub
It is basically a copy of the Bitcoin process with hand edits made for Autonomi:
What is an AIP?
AIPs cover the range of interests of the Autonomi community. The main topic is information and technologies that support and expand the utility of the Autonomi network. Most AIPs provide a concise, self-contained, technical description of one new concept, feature, or standard. Some AIPs describe processes, implementation guidelines, best practices, incident reports, or other information relevant to the Autonomi community. However, any topics related to the Autonomi core libraries, API’s, and application software may be acceptable.
AIPs are intended to be a means for proposing new protocol features, coordinating application standards, and documenting design decisions that have gone into implementations. AIPs may be submitted by anyone.
The scope of the AIP repository is limited to AIPs that do not oppose the fundamental principle that Autonomi is a network controlled by no one but owned by everyone.
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Also interesting in the field is Fully Homomorphic Encryption, that enables computation on encrypted data.
BTW I realized, that if we teamed up before IF, thgether we would probably have better chances of winning rewards. Maybe it’s a plan for the second edition
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I’m always down for a collab. This stuff is lonely working by yourself.
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Here is the public gdoc link to the Money Matrix current vs. desired table above in colour for reference purposes
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Gov4Git scales out especially if latched to NATS for event mesh pub/sub, the real issue is comms Q-day protection, there isn’t any. (it runs on SHA256 which will get broken by Quantum hackers)
That goes for most all SHA256 projects, the race to get Q-day protection is on.
Any project not paying attn to this is at risk. Many analysts now saying Q-day is 2029 inevitable as AI is speeding up development of Quantum Computers to get to Q-Day.
Ideally we want to run the NAT Http3/QUIC over top Autonomi Network Secured comms..
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What is Q-Day Protection
Q-Day protection refers to the measures and strategies implemented to safeguard digital information and infrastructure from the future threat posed by quantum computers capable of breaking current encryption standards. The term “Q-Day” describes the hypothetical moment when a sufficiently powerful quantum computer can efficiently crack widely used public-key encryption algorithms, such as RSA and ECC, which secure online communications, financial transactions, government data, and critical infrastructure. This capability would render much of today’s encrypted data vulnerable to decryption, potentially exposing sensitive information.
To prepare for this threat, organizations and governments are actively developing and deploying quantum-safe or post-quantum cryptography (PQC) solutions. These are new encryption algorithms designed to be secure against both classical and quantum computing attacks. The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) is leading the standardization of these PQC algorithms, with the goal of establishing robust, quantum-resistant cryptographic standards. The rollout of these new standards is expected to take several years, creating a window of vulnerability.
A significant concern is the “Harvest Now, Decrypt Later” (HNDL) threat, where adversaries collect encrypted data today with the intent to decrypt it in the future once a quantum computer becomes available. This makes proactive protection essential. Organizations are advised to begin inventorying their sensitive data, identifying vulnerable systems, and implementing quantum-secure communication channels and cryptographic solutions now. This includes exploring quantum networking solutions that leverage entanglement to create secure, scalable communication networks.
The race to achieve Q-Day is intense, with major investments from the United States, China, and other nations, highlighting the strategic importance of quantum computing. While experts disagree on the exact timeline—ranging from as early as 2025 to the middle of the century—there is a growing consensus that the threat is real and requires immediate action to prevent a potential collapse of digital security.
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and there was me planning to get some sleep…
Now I need to read lots
seriously @rreive thanks for all the effort you are putting into this.
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This works for CR Change Requests and small new feature request NFRs. However consider that Autonomi Network does not really have a TOGAF like architecture document to first describe some of the big missing parts like all of Layer 1 per the chart above as an example. Layer 4 does not exist, nor does Layer 2. Layer 3 is what we have now.
Current systems that scale worldwide sending/receiving Billions of events daily are built on FOSS believe it or not and that is NATS with JetStream, the commercial competitor to NATS/Jetstream is Solace. The log even King has been FOSS Apache KAFKA for along time, but it is rapidly losing ground to NATS..
Having the earlier proposed relay noderunners earn rewards from the network for doing same but doing it at scale for these other layers means imo adapting NATS/Jet Stream to fit that role allowing exixting noderunners to add functionality at low resource cost to pub/sub events to the NATS pub/sub msg events and log events broker , to scale and in fact outrival anything the big banks have.
I think before we embark on anything though as a co-op, it would be wise to first get community contributions into such a ‘TOGAF’ like document first, then parcel out the NFR and CR work, once we know we are all on the same page architecturally speaking,
We of course per previous posts do need a system to manage same which imo I think is Gov4Git… however maybe there is other stuff out there too we should be considering.
Because the regulators will come a callin, once Layer 4 wakes up, and if we operate within frameworks for architecture which are used by their bank kind, they will leave us alone, give us a pass.
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The Open Group Architecture Framework
reference model for enterprise architecture
TOGAF, the Open Group Architecture Framework, is the most widely used framework for enterprise architecture, providing a comprehensive methodology for designing, planning, implementing, and governing an organization’s information technology architecture. It is a proven enterprise architecture methodology and framework used by leading organizations worldwide to improve business efficiency and align IT with strategic business goals. The framework offers a high-level approach to enterprise software development, helping to organize the development process, reduce errors, maintain timelines, stay on budget, and ensure alignment between IT and business units. TOGAF is built upon a set of principles, guidelines, and best practices that support consistency, interoperability, and flexibility in IT systems. It is structured around four key architecture domains: Business, Application, Data, and Technology, and its core component is the Architecture Development Method (ADM), a systematic, iterative process for developing and managing enterprise architecture. The current version, TOGAF 10, was launched on 25 April 2022, and the framework is freely available for internal, non-commercial use by organizations. The Open Group, an international consortium with over 900 members from diverse sectors including business, government, and technology giants like Microsoft, Oracle, and Amazon Web Services, publishes and maintains the TOGAF Standard.
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