Anyone interested in developing a Hardware Wallet for MSC and SC?

[philip_rhoades]

People,

After finally getting a Hardware Wallet for BitCoin and Ether, I now want to move on to having the same sort of peace of mind for MSC (I want to start buying them ASAP) and SC but from this very interesting and useful conversation:

Hardware wallet for safecoin. Or else malware can steal coins!

I really like hardware wallets and I’ve been using Trezor for over a year now. I expect a SAFE hardware wallet will come quite quickly tbh. When the value shoots up the demand for security will be higher and the market will satisfy that demand soon enough. In the meantime I’m just going to buy a cheap dedicated machine for farming and using SAFE on, and I’ll never use this machine to visit anything on clearnet, so hopefully there won’t be much risk in using it. I should imagine most people wi…

it looks like there is nothing around yet that I could use. I am wondering, are there people here who might be interested in collaborating to develop a HW for MSC and SC? I would be prepared to put some cash and time resources into it we could find a way forward. I am REALLY interested in developing a number of ways of participating in the future rapidly expanding and flourishing SAFE economy . .

Feel free to respond here or mail me privately if anyone wants to chat about this idea . .

Regards,

Phil.

[neo]

Can we define what a hardware wallet for safecoin would be?

Safecoin is not like other coin, you cannot access the coin without logging into SAFE.

So before you ask to develop a hardware wallet you have to define what you want. What you expect it to do.

[neo]

Maybe for safecoin all you need is a hardware password keeper and one that uses an addon to bypass the keyboard by encrypting the text between the h/w password device and the addon. Then no hacker/keylogger can operate on your safe wallet. Without the SAFE login credentials then they cannot access your wallet.

[bittog9]

I can see a time when you might be logged into the safe network for most of the time even longer than the clear net. So if you have a shared machine with your family a hardware wallet might be a way of letting only you spend your coins rather than someone else who has access to your machine…

[neo]

Some recent talk of hardware wallet for SAFE

Read down from this post

@intrz

Personally I would prefer a hardware wallet that generates this stuff and that I’d just keep plugged into the computer whenever I want to be logged in.

Hardware wallet for safecoin. Or else malware can steal coins!

Safecoin needs some type of hardware wallet capability. If not to actually login into the network, then at least to send actual coins (similar to bitcoin hardware wallets). Otherwise, safecoin will become a huge attack vector by malware writers. Unlike bitcoin, maidsafe is something people will use every single day and cannot use it on an offline computer. Therefore, they will be entering their account credentials frequently (or they will be stored on disk / memory). The end result is that malw…

Especially since this following one is also calling for building a hardware wallet.

Feature request: Support for hardware wallet - community build?

I am really keen to shift my Maidsafe onto my Ledger Nano S. I could theoretically do this, because I could send my Maidsafe to any bitcoin address that I control. However, if I wanted to then send my Maidsafe, I would have to expose my private key to the internet, which would completely defeat the purpose of having a hardware wallet. You can build open source apps for the Ledger Nano S. For instance, I currently have a Dash app on my Ledger. As far as I know, building a new GUI to support Ledg…

[whiteoutmashups]

@philip_rhoades

After finally getting a Hardware Wallet for BitCoin and Ether, I now want to move on to having the same sort of peace of mind for MSC

Just send your MAID to that hardware BTC address and you’re good.

Then you can wait for safecoin tech

[philip_rhoades]

@whiteoutmashups ,

OK, if that works, it will certainly allow me to get started with MSC with more confidence . .

[bittog9]

If you send MSC to a hardware wallet address what’s the procedure for getting it of into omni wallet when you want to convert it into safecoin. Am I write in thinking If you had it on a paper wallet you would just scan the private keys?

[neo]

@whiteoutmashups

Just send your MAID to that hardware BTC address and you’re good.

@philip_rhoades

OK, if that works, it will certainly allow me to get started with MSC with more confidence . .

ONLY if your hardware wallet can give you the private keys. At this time hardware wallets don’t support omni tokens and only if you can get the private keys is it advisable to use such a hardware wallet for MAID.

Personally I am using paper wallets. Arguably as secure as a hardware wallet as long as your sensible with the paper copies.

@bittog9

If you send MSC to a hardware wallet address what’s the procedure for getting it of into omni wallet

You would have to extract the private key for the address in the hardware wallet then import that key into omniwallet.org’s wallet

[philip_rhoades]

@neo

ONLY if your hardware wallet can give you the private keys. At this time hardware wallets don’t support omni tokens and only if you can get the private keys is it advisable to use such a hardware wallet for MAID.

OK, I have just got started with tthe TREZOR device so I need to check this out . .

Thanks,
Phil.

[neo]

@philip_rhoades

OK, I have just got started with tthe TREZOR device so I need to check this out .

They have said they will support omni tokens “sometime” in the future. One year two year 5 year, who knows.

Look up trezor in the search feature of this forum since it has been talked about often enough. You can then know more about it.

[bittog9]

With TREZOR because it’s an HD wallet and all the addresses come from the recovery seed don’t they all share the same private key. I might be wrong

[neo]

@bittog9

all the addresses come from the recovery seed don’t they all share the same private key. I might be wrong

BTC addresses all have their own private key. The BTC address is actually decoded from the private key so its impossible for one private key to have 2 addresses associated with it.

Do not confuse a wallet with the BTC addresses. All a wallet is is something that holds the private keys of your addresses and can sign transactions which then are put to the BTC network. The wallet does not hold your coins and only holds private keys. (address is derived from the private key)

[philip_rhoades]

@neo

They have said they will support omni tokens “sometime” in the future.

So the bottom line is I can’t use my TREZOR to increase the security of keeping MSC at the moment . . is there any other HW that could be used?

[bittog9]

@neo

Do not confuse a wallet with the BTC addresses. All a wallet is is something that holds the private keys of your addresses and can sign transactions which then are put to the BTC network. The wallet does not hold your coins and only holds private keys. (address is derived from the private key)

I thought your recovery seed was like a master private key? It allows you to recover all your bitcoin addresses from the trezror. Looks like ill be doing some research into HD wallets and recovery seeds

[philip_rhoades]

@Runswick

You could use a trezor so long as you have the seed phrase from when you set it up. It’s a bit complicated, but perfectly possible. This would be for long term storage because HW wallets don’t do omni transactions at the moment. When you want to access your tokens, it involves using mnemonic code converter tools (preferably offline) such as the Ian Coleman one or this coinomi one. You would use the tool to derive your private key for the address where your tokens are, then you can move them. There are pros and cons with this approach and you may prefer to just use a paper wallet which really is just as secure if you set it up correctly.

Sounds messy but I really want to start getting MSC so I might have to give your method a shot . .

I’m more familiar with the Ledger Nano S hardware wallet than the trezor, but they are similar.

OK - I was thinking I might get all the main HWs for my own comparison - so you have actually done what you say with the Nano?

You may like to take a look at this post, and perhaps the whole thread. There is more etail there…

Thanks!

[philip_rhoades]

I hate using paper for ANYTHING! What is the point of being in the Cyber era if you are forced back to paper to properly secure some situation?

[Jabba]

@philip_rhoades

I hate using paper for ANYTHING! What is the point of being in the Cyber era if you are forced back to paper to properly secure some situation?

With something like a private key it is nice to have it ONLY on paper imo. I use trezor for everything non-omni, but I’m happy enough with air-gapped paper wallets for my omni assets. At least I know no digital form of my private key has ever been online anywhere. It feels as secure as my trezor given I still have to store my recovery seed for that on paper anyway. There’s no way around storing a bit of paper as far as I can see - other than SAFE’s more ‘memorable’ passwords. Trezor’s big advantage is that it is really friction-less to send coins and you don’t have to mess about making new private keys and swapping bits of paper when you do. I never touch my omni assets anyway, so I don’t mind keeping them on paper for now.

[philip_rhoades]

@Jabba

It feels as secure as my trezor given I still have to store my recovery seed for that on paper anyway.

Yes, I guess that’s true - however I inevitably lose bits of paper . .

[Jabba]

If you lose the recovery seed you’re really screwed with any hardware wallet too. I’m on my second trezor, the first broke after 18 months. Keep your recovery seed very safe. I can’t lose mine, I’ve gone to pretty extreme lengths to secure it