I am about to zap the Formicaio on my Hetzner box cos all its doing is costing me money and contributing a mere 200 or so nodes to little effect it would seem.
Before I just shut the box down I will stick NTracking/anm on again and see if the ports are freed up or not.
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Depends on the hetzners but you should be looking at over 1k nodes
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Its one of the cheapest but I just looked and its only at 1.15 load with 4gig of RAM spare so I could certainly add more
Iâll try anm with 400 nodes and see what happens
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iv not got any rentals at the moment but recent resource consumption points to lots of nodes on rentals with good connections.
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no its held together with chewing gum at the moment havenât got round to trying to automate it and the free end point im using for geo location is rate limited to 40 requests per min so its not ideal.
ill look into maybe making a dedicated system in the cloud adn making a script for people to run to pool the data and making it public if everyone thinks its a good idea ?
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The main issue will be privacy.
As I showed above, some of us are quite identifiable.
But a real(ish) time version with limited resolution should be an OK compromise IMHO
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Even zoomed in it itâs way off and I have checked with a few people
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Any OG node runners who have concerns can feel free to DM me for a close up of there general area.
As its based off IP addresses, it will be very approximate. If I look mine up, it says London and I live in Northern Ireland! 
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The problem is not with sharing an image like the above, but that anyone running a enough nodes could generate the information in detail, and the more node they run the more node runners would be ârevealedâ.
Same, and potentially more worrying are the privacy issues for clients, which are going to be exacerbated by blockchain payment records - perhaps linking devices with chunks and therefore files they upload. Statistical analysis is not my area but I do understand that if you have large overlapping datasets you can get very detailed information out of them.
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Is there any chance that this issue of failing to get quotes or failing to upload is due to the shifting sands of a rapidly expanding network? Something like that in between a quote being asked for and all what are thought to be the needed nodes responding what ought to be the close group has changed. So there is at least 1 quote missing or one is received that is found to be not relevant anymore.
Iâm still running my noddy script for obtaining a quote every 5 minutes and logging it and I still see a failure every couple of hours. I can imagine that a file with hundreds of records needed would run into a failure to quote or store about half the time because of the number of chunks needing to be stored.
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And they only get to quote for them too.
The discussion is around the quoting, which means they are asked because they are close to the chunk address
Meaningless in the discussion, this is talking of reducing even further by an aggressive capitalist mentality. Take over the market (eventually)
If you can ensure all your nodes are getting paid to the exclusion of others for the chunks arriving. Then it could well be possible. But those with Gbps internet also can do this. VPS was just to show best case nodes at doing this.
Working together is more work anyhow. The idea is not nodes working in exclusion to the other nodes close by. They work individually but in cooperation with others. This thinking is foreign to the capitalism at all costs mindset. Working against your neighbours by taking all your neighbourâs chance of earning is antisocial and against the idea of cooperation and the expression of the wrong form of capitalism.
Together all nodes will rise in both earnings and health. The network will be able to maintain its ability to be sustainable earnings wise long term
But if you have a BTC whale decide to F with the network and cause a whole heap of nodes to go without earnings then they can run up a million nodes that charge 1/2 price, grab all the earnings from 4 to 6 million nodes, then we see maybe 1/2 those nodes disappear within a week and then another 1/4 within 2 weeks.
But the problem is that others nodes become close to those nodes and rinse and repeat. The network will suffer and the whale will eventually become the operator of by far the biggest set of nodes.
But you have the current system, maybe not best, and quoting/paying needs improvement (native prob improves this 10 fold) but it will get usable for sure. The current system at least keeps the nodes pricing more even and sustainable long term
The network is not supposed to be a money maker and certainly not fitting the pure capitalist model that has the goal of making those at the top rich It is a cooperative network with nodes cooperating network wise and earnings wise, so all rise together. Not a socialist system or communist, but cooperative.
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Communitarian is the word you are looking for @neo
Where we all work together for the common good.
And pay our taxes, for no man is an island.
ANd for the ârugged individualistsâ who will now lecture me about âfreedomâ
This is freedom https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjxJT2VOJWw
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In the network design/code there is no leaders built in, nor controllers, nor gatekeepers, nor profiteers, nor undercutters, like happens with humans.
And now nothing (no royalties) that can be called a tax in the network. Except the ERC payment system that is going to be replaced.
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Has there been a bit of an increase in network traffic with this version. These are the graphs for my network interface with 20 nodes running on an RPi4:-
There is a bit of quote testing going on so maybe its also the network being used a tad more
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I donât understand the network well enough to be able to either agree or disagree with how viable or likely this kind of attack is.
Nevertheless, protection against such attack by paying to âmiddle threeâ, instead of just cheapest node, is a good point and a good argument for the current system. 
Iâd be happy, if the network really can challenge the leverage of centralized wealth. And I think there is a baked-in momentum working to that direction, but the most important aspect of that momentum is to have nodes from homes connecting smoothly.
No matter what the pricing model is, the environment where the network is living, is capitalistic in itâs most aggressive form. At least in the beginning, because it is targeted to crypto folks first. Later maybe not so bad. At least I hope so.
In any case, I think there will be a global average FIAT price of storing data, which is the one where demand and supply side agree. With that price, there are going to be setups, where running nodes is going earn enough to offset the costs, and setups where they donât earn enough.
Now, letâs say that the price set up by pricing curve is going to have me running nodes with an average of 20% loss, with the price of electricity (and other things) I can get. I think that with the âfree marketâ kind of pricing, without the kind of attack you described happening, I would end up at a same profitability level.
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I would think that for at home nodes the âglobal FIAT priceâ for storing data will be much higher than the cost of electricity by a large factor. Now if using true spare resources then the incremental cost of electricity will be near zero, so compensation will be magnitudes higher than that.
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Today I tested running the node for the first time. In the beginning it went well - I saw some communication going (conns, etc.). Then I needed to change the disk and therefore restarted nodes. After that âUPnP (disabled / unsupported)â. Can anyone please give me the tip?