BRICS v NATO … are we on the wrong side?.. or is life not so simple as black and white propaganda machine trots out?..
Those who would touch internet sea cables are on the wrong side no matter what side.
Those who have no interest in peace are on the wrong side no matter what side.
The West needs its wars… or the minority that have no real mandate do… fragile is their eggshell.
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Also, unfortunate another braincell was lost…
What about blowing up gas pipelines are they on the right or wrong side?
Whataboutism is alive and well on this platform. Business as usual!
The piplines was never going to be used again but to start a illegal war of aggression and then trying to extort other countries through a pipeline, just common cause and effect that it was blown up.
“whataboutism” =/= the mere usage of the two words “what” and “about” in a row. More importantly, would it be possible to keep the Ukraine stuff to the relevant thread?
- Twitter management and employees.
- Youtube/google management and employees.
- Facebook management and employees.
- Reddit management and employees.
- Owners, management, and employees of the major media outlets.
- and various others and shadowy types behind the curtains.
I personally saw many comments and videos, often factual, sometimes citing government sources and raw data such as VAERS removed/censored from each of the above social media platforms because they simply did not like it. The bias is blatant and obvious and if you can’t see it, you probably share it, or simply are not thinking and questioning enough.
If I were any employee of any of the major social media companies during the last 3 years I would have quit in disgust / protest. Simple as that.
One can argue that these are private companies and can do as they like, and this is true. However, one can also vow not to support these companies and to support or build better alternatives. of course, preaching to the choir on this last point.
Truth is treason in the empire of lies.
Did all of those entities really say all four of those things? And do they constitute a majority? And if they constitute a powerful force, but not a majority, combined, do they represent some kind of nefarious conspiracy, hell-bent on destroying a certain portion of society? Or are they all just deranged, misinformed, evil people, and the only truth lies with those who oppose them? If that’s true, how did they rise to such an important level of society?
all fines q’s VaCrunch. I do not pretend to understand the rationale or motivations of anyone who would censor information. It goes against my core being. I do not even agree with the concept of “classified information” or “state secrets”, nor do I support “intellectual property” in any form. Humanity thrives when information flows freely.
As for how they “rose up”, well it is important to understand that the high school and especially university system in the usa has a very strong bias and this is by design, and began with funding (and a seat on the board) by the likes of Rockefeller, Carnegie, etc. ie, the “Robber Barons”. In other words, by design of monied interests, for a very long time now. Nowadays the school curriculums in most U.S. states (all?) are tightly and centrally controlled by the state, whereas in the “old days” local school boards were free to choose their own curriculums.
Having been through such a university in the early 90’s, I can attest to just how strong the bias was even then. I have always been an independent thinker and thus was able to critically analyze and reject or at least place a big mental asterisk (unproven / biased / wtf?) on much of what they tried to spoon feed me. I think most are not so critical at such a young age.
When you have all the “educated” people being taught according to a particular world view, it is only natural/expected that those who “rise up” will hold that worldview… Which apparently lends itself to believing that censorship is justifiable.
In my view, in an open debate, truth and reason will eventually win out. People who fear and seek to quash open debate and free flow of information generally do so out of fear that others might listen to the opposing argument and be pursuaded. Censorship is the refuge of a person with a weak argument and a power complex.
The fact that you are even debating this is somewhat telling. Are you saying you support or condone or tolerate censorship of information (or “misinformation”) or more generally “speech” you don’t agree with?
edit: even here on the Safe Network we’ve had various debates about “moderation” and how to prevent “bad content” from being seen by “good people”. I always come down on the side of: store everything, censor (moderate) nothing, provide powerful flexible rating system and customizable individual/group filters.
“In our dream we have limitless resources, and the people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hand. The present educational conventions fade from our minds; and, unhampered by tradition, we work our own good will upon a grateful and responsive rural folk. We shall not try to make these people or any of their children into philosophers or men of learning or of science. We are not to raise up among them authors, orators, poets, or men of letters. We shall not search for embryo great artists, painters, musicians. Nor will we cherish even the humbler ambition to raise up from among them lawyers, doctors, preachers, statesmen, of whom we now have ample supply.”
- Rev. Frederick T. Gates, Business Advisor to John D. Rockefeller Sr., 1913
They funded the board of education and laid the foundation of the factory school system.
We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. …In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons…who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.
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No serious sociologist any longer believes that the voice of the people expresses any divine or specially wise and lofty idea. The voice of the people expresses the mind of the people, and that mind is made up for it by the group leaders in whom it believes and by those persons who understand the manipulation of public opinion. It is composed of inherited prejudices and symbols and cliches and verbal formulas supplied to them by the leaders.
- Edward Bernays, Propaganda
See also: How “Rockefeller Medicine” Is Killing Us All (title is sensationalistic, but info is solid)
Or just google “Rockefeller Medicine” or “Flexner report”. Tons of info out there about how Rockefeller foundation bought off and essentially took over the medical schools to teach/favor allopathy (cut/burn/poison model using petroleum products) using the Carnegie funded “Flexner report” as the basis.
Not debating, only asking pertinent questions I don’t know the answer to. Trying to get a better understanding of the problem.
This is the perfect example, also imagine RFK debating with Biden 
As my friend Kasey put it in a recent conversation, growth is a fire. If you build a nice, sustainable fire, it’ll keep you warm, cook food and sustain life. And if the only thing you care about is how big your fire is, then it’ll set fire to everything around it, and the more you throw into it, the more it’ll burn. Eventually, you’ll have nothing left, but if you desperately desire that fire, you will constantly have to find new things to burn at any cost.
And we, societally, have turned our markets and businesses - private and public - over to arsonists. We have created conditions where we celebrate people for making “big” companies but not “good” companies.
I disagree quite strongly with a few things in this article, but it is a good description nonetheless of the absolute insanity of what most people seem to accept as everyday “economics”, made all the more powerful by the fact the guy is writing “from the inside” - he clearly believes that capitalism can be good, and that this is an anomaly. A very naive opinion in my eyes, but anyway, Cryptocurrency, Uber, Meta, Google, Venture Capital, and so on, they all get lambasted quite righteously here, it’s worth a read.
To just throw in my unsolicited three cents then - “the problem” is a society where our belief systems and value systems have become utterly skewed, pummelled on all sides by a normalised system of everyday propaganda on a scale never before practised. What Mark Fisher called a “boring dystopia”.
It starts from childhood - Youtube channels for babies are the highest-earning channels - and school then deepens the problem considerably, and after that it continues forever, everywhere.
And it’s so shockingly powerful that we have large, loud sections of the supposedly “free” Western democracies arguing in favour of censorship in order to protect freedom of speech, arguing in favour of dropping bombs and selling weapons in order to spread peace, arguing in favour of massive cultural monopolies who are strangling artists and musicians in order to promote culture, arguing in favour of draconian measures against protestors in order to protect democracy, arguing in favour of economic “growth” as the planet’s ecosystems teeter on the brink of collapse, arguing in favour of government and corporate misinformation in order to fight misinformation, etc etc.
Frankly, it’s totally bonkers, the problem(s), and if you aren’t seeing it, it’s probably because you’re committed to not seeing it. Usually people believe whatever the people around them believe, and especially so if their wages depend on holding those beliefs. I’d look there first, if I was you.
I’m really glad there are people in this forum who can articulate my own thoughts better than I can
Frankly, it’s easy to see the problem. What’s hard is to come up with a workable solution to these problems. I have always thought the first colonizers of Mars will have a chance to do it right, but I fear not enough work will be put into the governance aspect of that civilization beforehand.
“Into blinding darkness enter those who worship ignorance and those who delight in knowledge enter into still greater darkness.”
-The Isha Vasya
Time for a decentralized alternative. Without censorship and with a better rating and filtering system.