There are a fair amount of “Ancient Alien” History Channel specials on this
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“I’m not saying its aliens, but its aliens”
Lets face it saying the Pyramids were a product of aliens sells. Sells big time. Image a movie and years of episodes of a show about pyramids&aliens, it’d sell big time and be real famous wouldn’t it. If only someone would make such a movie and TV series, I’d watch it. If only …
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The problem is Von Daniken has queered the pitch for any notion of previous alien civilisation
to get taken seriously
I used to devour Von Daniken BTW 
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I was thinking of him. And it was crap when he came out with it, and we debunked him when the book came out “asking the questions” and he claimed "never was claiming it was aliens". Just a money maker who did think that it was aliens, but knew he was full of crap and would not admit it.
Such a joke. And it was belittling the civil engineering achievements of a number of civilisations. One of the “I cannot see how its possible so no one can make it possible” crowd, so its “aliens”
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i’ve been listening for a few weeks and have found it to be an interesting resource, learning, for start up ideas that could be adopted/adapted for the new wave 
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By staying away from key demographics and instead hanging out where blockchain people are, Autonomi are I think continuing to miss something important.
In the places which privacy and decentralisation folk hang out ever more exclusively (as they tend to lead in the eXodus from Musk), blockchain and X are largely reviled.
I’m now literally getting blocked on Mastodon for mentioning Autonomi.
This will get worse as more people get to hear of Autonomi and its dependence in blockchain. The negative impact of ERC20 in areas outside the tiny blockchain niche is problematic to say the least.
It just confirms my fears that the project is going to end up in a backwater dominated by blockchain devs and ventures.
The only way to make this project for everyone is to get rid of ERC20 as soon as possible, but there’s no prospect of that IMO.
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I this by the same crowd that will vandalize a Jewish gay woman’s Tesla and call her a racist homophobic nazi for driving it?
The world is full of nut jobs and it seems to me it is not those that were previously considered nut jobs.
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No, it isn’t nut jobs. It’s decent, technical folk who value privacy and security as much as anyone here. It is a fact that blockchain is reviled, whether you like it or not, by a lot of these kinds of people.
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If they have prejudices against the use of a certain technology, then it’s their loss.
Blocking someone because of the mention of a project that’s good for privacy & security simply because it ustilises blockchain technology is nutjob behaviour.
I feel Autonomi needs Native token ASAP, but I won’t morn the loss of cryptophobes staying away from Autonomi because of it.
From what you say it seems the community you’re talking about are aligned both as anti crypto and anti-Musk / X.
This may indicate that they’re not just a tech focused community, but also aligned in specific political / philosophical ways that mean they’re not representative of privacy & security lovers outside of what sounds like it could be a closed minded echo chamber.
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Mastodon, nor the privacy and security community isn’t a closed minded echo chamber. And it isn’t just these people who revile blockchain tech. I’m pretty down on it myself, and so are many others. It’s a pretty mainstream view tbh, and whether you agree or not isn’t the point.
I’m not going to have an argument over those opinions.
My point is that this matters, it affects the prospects of this project in ways that are detrimental to the fundamentals - most of all being for everyone. Few are willing to acknowledge this reality, and I understand that, but it doesn’t change how being shackled to blockchain affects the potential of this project.
It’s fine to say you support the native token, but apparently not acceptable to point out why not having it, and more importantly not having a plan to get away from blockchain is an enormous problem.
I’m still here because I hope I am wrong about this to a significant degree but haunted by the growing realisation that I’m held by a ideal that is fading away.
It is six months since I pointed these issues out and there is no plan, I’m not allowed to ask about and show my frustration ever so mildly about this being ignored, without being attacked by David for supposedly scaring the devs off the forum. So there’s no movement away from what I warned about. Instead we are seeing the things that I envisaged playing out. The technical problems, degraded functionality, vastly reduced potential and increasing isolation from the people we should be able to attract and welcome.
Almost every week since September I question myself about whether this is the best place for me to be building and working for those reasons.
It is hard to let go of the hope that the project gave us, but whenever I think about this rationally, it is also hard to justify continuing based on over a decade of “soon” and “it works” against the reality that it still doesn’t. We’re still hearing how it will be fixed shortly, and so on. Will it? I hope so, and if it is, where are we going to be?
We will still be so far away from where we were headed that I won’t be cheering. I’ll be relieved, but very disappointed with our prospects. I’ll be looking at the best that I can create with a very diminished network. Things starting to work would be positive, but nowhere near what drove me to spend all these years trying to help it happen.
So while I am here I will continue to point out what I believe is preventing the project from reaching its potential, and how fragile is the idea that it can still be for everyone, until we have a route away from blockchain.
I can see that this triggers people, so maybe there’s no point. IDK, but if that’s the case 
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This is a good read.
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Fully agree that there are plenty of sensible (prescient?) people with technical acumen and a respect for privacy that abhor blockchain and what it’s ushering in.
Also agree that it hinders the project’s broad appeal long-term.
Also agree that there isn’t a declared, formal plan for native token.
However, isn’t that sorta how this project has gone? Even the white paper is more like an investor’s prospectus.
And that’s not impugning the team or project. How many challenging technical projects also totally nail precise documentation, planning, and all of the other formalities? Nice when it happens, but mostly it’s code now, add docs later.
IMHO although there’s not a plan, there’s a ‘plan’, and it’ll come together.
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I sure hope so, but hope has IMO got us into a backwater from which escape looks unlikely. There’s only so long I can run on hope, and I think it is fair that saying so is a part of this, and not something that should be discouraged. That’s another change I’ve been disappointed to see.
Anyway, hope away.. as long as seems reasonable.
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After getting things working again, would the implementation of native token be the only thing standing in the way of the network being exactly what drove you to invest your time & hopes into the project?
If so, is that really ‘nowhere near’? Or is that the probem; we don’t know how big a task implementing native will be?
I would love to see more detailed plans regarding native. David has given us some enticing snippets, but he’s been clear that the team can’t focus on this with high priority until the network is working properly; fixing uploads / downloads is top priority.
Assuming the network problems are not significantly caused by ERC20 usage, don’t you agree that prioritising fixing the network ahead of Native token development is sensible given where we are?
I like the idea of 1 or 2 community funded devs getting cracking on native token concept development with minimal input from the team so it doesn’t distract them from their priorities.
To me the network seems crippled without native, so I’d support anything that would help it happen more quickly.
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Implementing the token isn’t enough. The dependence on blockchain needs to be removed as well, so that a user can earn ANT by running a few nodes and that is all they need to store data on the network.
In addition, the network must be functional of course. I think that will be easier with native rather than blockchain tokens, but it isn’t a given.
Another issue that may seem unimportant now is that the more rooted in blockchain the project becomes (culturally, partners, node runners, use types, and to everyone who hears about Autonomi), the harder it will be to “re-invent” as non-blockchain.
I think Autonomi is a brilliant brand but it is being tainted, so that’s a consideration as well. Folk here also may not see the associations with centralised platforms and X as an issue either, but they add to this problem. The longer all this lasts the harder it will be to move away from. This is why I say “ASAP” and not just “eventually”.
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For me, using a blockchain where suitable shouldn’t be vilified. If some technical folks can’t make the distinction, I’d question their objectivity.
We all want to see the native currency for a variety of reasons. However, I’d much rather have a working network without it, than no network at all.
The project was funded through a crypro ICO and tokens have always been a part of the ecosystem too.
I get that some folks don’t like crypro and blockchains for a variety of reasons. It’s just another distributed data store in the toolbox though. If they can’t see past that, maybe they should wait until the native token arrives. Their loss in the interim!
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Not sure what is happening on your side of the world but here I am starting to see a bit of the Tesla type attitude towards crypto.
Telsa is now Republican and you must be anti if you are a Dem.
Crypto is now Republican and you must be anti if you are a Dem.
Are you all seeing how many Teslas are being vandalized? Crazy way to live life assigning objects and technology to politics.
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I’d buy a Tesla and a very big gun if I was in the states. Covid proved a lot of people can’t think for themselves and now they are using this knowledge to get the morons to commit crimes.
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