Update 23rd January 2025

There are 4 liquidity providers in UniSwap, I would say the probability of them taking out 100% of all liquidity before TGE is 100%. There will be no one to sell to…


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That would be fraudulent.

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there are some whaling ship down in South Georgia that we could fix for the whaling expedition?

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Is this why the volume of marketing / outreach to support TGE has been less than expected? Given there is only a week left in January, I think it would be better to state whether TGE will not happen this month / what the plans are sooner rather than later.

As a measure twice, cut once kind of person, I would support delaying TGE to ensure effective execution. However, I think transparency would help to alleviate the tension.

Wishing the team smooth sailing!

:sotros25:

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Without whales the marketing team would have less ammo.

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I paid two times 21 attos and 12 attos for a 110 kb upload, first and last time that I do that. Until I can upload up to 1 tb for 1 attos, I’m not uploading… I’m even ready to wait for 10 years.

I’m actually celebrating that there are kind folks giving me farming rewards.

I send Ross 1 attos (he doesn’t know)

If you want your 1 nano I can send it
If @aatonnomicc wants his 8 nano I can send it

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Id forgot about that it’s cool I’ll not miss 8 attos buddy :slight_smile:

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It’s not 8 attos that you paid for my upload a while back, it was 8 nanos that’s orders of magnitude…
I promised I would pay it back, so :sweat_smile: (I can also keep it for now, until it’s worth 8 :beers:)

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I’d like to assure you that the ANT and ETH you sent me to distribute to the needy are simply resting in my wallets.

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Sounds rubbish.

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Well everyone running nodes are getting higher earnings. So not rubbish

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Those 1e-18 storage prices were never (in no parallel universe) sustainable…

So it’s a good thing we’re finally getting to somewhat more realistic pricing.

If I saw it correctly we’re roughly at 1/1000th of a coin per chunk atm - so 0.0005 USD per chunk at current emaid prices… Or 0.05 cent per chunk :slight_smile: uploading 4gb therefore costs 50 cents in storage pricing (and a factor of 20 - 100 or so more in ETH gas fees =D)

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Is these things secret? :smiley:

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I might have a secret that if folk knew they could 1,000,000 X their token count. It could make anyone king of the planet in perpetuity and make all your friends just poor enough to look down on. You could have a new lambo every day and command any partner you wish.

You could rule forever and be remembered for all time.

But, then again I might not have such a secret :wink:

You choose

No seriously, a discussion and fact finding mission is not one of secrets, it’s of people looking at all angles and doing that publicly would have so much taken out of context and ruined as well as being distracting. Much of that will be and is public, I hope as much as possible, but there are lots of moving parts and very exhausted folk trying to get a launch as well, so it’s not simple.

I am pretty open really, don’t follow any money based direct goals thing (note direct is important here), in this project all I want is to protect people, all people including those with no tokens or who never even know they have tokens. For those who invested, then they get the benefits of great returns while doing good. So it’s not about the money directly, it’s the returns that us providing extreme value brings.

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I thought this sentence, I understood that there is not finished things in development u want to see first finished before tge, sorry for not specify more

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I don’t think those numbers are true.

The more skilled members of this community are openly joking about how they underprovision the thousands of nodes they run.

That’s why I think this comparison…

… reflects more the fact that these other networks have a way on enforcing that nodes provide the capacity stated.

I think we can and should only brag about the number of nodes we have, but be very careful in stating how much storage capacity that means.

Are we going to have a mechanism that enforces that nodes actually provide a certain amount of disk space?

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Not sure I’ve seen anybody - except for Dimitar - stating he’s running in that area of nodes without having the needed storage space and he stated in another thread in this forum he’d rather upgrade the disk space then node numbers when the network fills :thinking: :face_with_monocle:

This discussion is moot and the bare fact of the current node numbers Show that if the space is needed and paid for accordingly it’ll be there

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I know or several others who have admited the same. Likewise, I was running 100 nodes easily on my laptop (until the power cut yesterday started…). It only has a 1TB disk and plenty of other stuff already on it. It would need over 3TB, should the network fill up.

Not that I’ve bothered to create lots of wallets to maximise lottery earnings (I haven’t won any! Ha!), but many have done that too.

The rules of the game - running healthy ant nodes - are set and folks will play that game for maximum gain.

However, I don’t think having excess nodes running is necessarily a bad thing. It’s actually directing more CPU and memory resouces at the network. Maybe some of that is doing ‘busy work’ (i.e. churn due to lots of nodes), spikes of demand must surely get lost in the oceans of capacity. In short, it may create a more performant network anyway.

As the network fill, the number of nodes may drop or have storage added to meet demand (if they want to keep the nodes earnkng). Both seem fine.

It is probably really hard to stop, unless storage is reserved and even that could be gamed, especially by the experts who stand to gain the most.

Edit: ofc, once the network fills up to a reasonable level, then the above strategy won’t really work. While there are high storage rewards for a near empty network, they will persist though.

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Performant, but fragile.

I’m not concerned about the lottery, but how well the network is going to survive in the wild. The design at the moment rewards cramming as many nodes as you can on your resources with as little empty margin as possible.

But in discussions the margin has been deemed important for the network resilience in case of sudden outage of a portion of nodes. This is not enforced or rewarded.

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Nodes that do not have enough storage will be shunned when they have no more room anyhow. So no need for other incentives or disincentives which only go to increase complexity and remove the “bring what you have and run them when you have computer on”

To pay more for longer on nodes disincentives ordinary home users who do not run their computer 100% of the time and windows users with regular updates restarting the computer. Thus the datacentre style setup will dominate and we lose most of our nodes runners who get a fraction of the earnings for each node.

The ordinary home user hopefully will become the majority of the node runners by a factor of hundreds to thousands longer term. To favour development for data centre style of node running is to long term reduce the decentralisation to the large setups.

We need to favour development for home users without negatively affecting larger setups. The priority is to be for home users who have small setup, potato routers, average computer setups and internet connections.

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