Protecting Our Builders - Token Discussion Moderation Request

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Right, time for some hard truths.

We’ve got multiple brilliant developers building genuinely revolutionary applications here and they’re getting drowned out by endless token speculation threads. And we have people trying to learn, also drowned out by finance CRAP.

Time for a reality check …

Do developers avoid communities that prioritize speculation over innovation, i don’t know but my common sense guess would be yes, they do.
Every “wen moon” post makes serious builders think we’re just another pump-and-dump forum
We’re actively harming our own project’s credibility

What we need:

Token/price discussion moved to dedicated subforum (login required)
Public forum focused on tech development, use cases, upgrading skills, progress .
Zero tolerance for derailing technical threads with tokenomics chat

Why this matters:
Our existing builders and testers represent the kind of breakthrough that could define this network’s future if they get more support (more developers). But if we keep letting moon-boy noise drown out real innovation and steal energy and attention with financial BS then we’ll lose the builders who actually create value.

Simple choice:
Do we want to be known as the community that built revolutionary tech, concepts, gave people opportunity to up skill and more … or the one that talked about tokens while the developers went elsewhere?

The people building stuff deserve better, people trying to learn and become more useful and productive deserve better. The project deserves better and is better than this.
Let’s act like we’re serious about creating significant change, change you feel on the street, something that, to be frank, crypto has not achieved .

Token/price discussion should be moved to dedicated subforum (login required), at least try it for a month or so and see how the dynamics playout.

Thank you.

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Heres the deal.

You only get to comment on Token/price discussion if you have made a corresponding post on Atlas and/or Friends

Forcing folks to eat our own dogfood will sort out the wheat from the chaff
The technical aspects of how to implement/enforce this are left as an exercise for the reader…

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I’m in two minds on this. Yes, I think there is a lot to be said for moving the discussion elsewhere or requiring a login rather than it being made public as suggested earlier.

The other thing on my mind is is the incongruity of a public community forum for a project which aims (amongst other things of a similar nature) to enable a censorship free internet… then censoring open discussion of a subject related to the project. For noble reasons as detailed above but it could be viewed as a little hypocritical.

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Give me some ethereum then

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True - but we are NOT censoring, merely taking care to ensure that reasoned discussion on the token price takes place on a freely available platform.
Use of that platform requires a modicum of effort but it is available to all.
This is a data-centred project not any other crypto project.
So is it unreasonable to ask that informed discussion of the price is only possible by those who practically appreciate the benefits (and hassles) of actually using the project?

maybe we could ask that any post in the Price topic contains a link to post topic as a text doc uploaded to the network?

I know that would get messy quickly so lets hear other ideas.

BTW We are here to solve a short term problem, not cover any possible edge case likely to emerge in next 30 yrs

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Earn some ANT with nodes and sell it for ETH. Show you are actually using the network.

DM me a wallet address ad I’ll think about it

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You cant sell ant without having eth in the wallet for gas, which is the whole issue with this token.

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Well buy some ETH then.

or prove you are utterly destitute and I will send you $0.5 worth ETH cos we should all be charitable to those who can be online but skint.
Every needs a wee hand up from time to time.

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Or we can fix the token instead.

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Your detailed PR is eagerly anticipated.

had enough of this pish for tonight

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To be clear, builders don’t need protecting. People can say whatever they want and personally I abhor censorship and moderation. What is frustrating is all the energy being put into token, token, token discussions and very little attention to doing something. Builders, MaidSafe devs, and others that are pushing the network forward are putting in a TON of time to get this thing off the ground. Every hour spent here in the token talk circle jerk is NOT helping the network. Go do something useful. Market the network. Try apps. Come up with actionable well thought out proposals and have mature conversations about them. Take some responsibility for the success of the network instead of complaining. Do something.

Put another way, we don’t have a forum moderation problem, we have a community culture problem.

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The forum has been a veritable Shangri-La for devs and tech enthusiasts for as long as I have been here. Token talk has always been a sidebar. The uptick in chatter is due to the launching of a supposedly impossible tech with a valuation virtually on par with what is now an almost 12 year old ICO. There are no circumstances where that is not going to create upheaval, particularly, when management has absolutely zero interest in improving liquidity or marketing the product. When there is no place for people to vent that frustration, we will see a true exodus. The crypto haters are more of a problem than the FUDsters IMHO. The project would be truly dead without BTC/ETH. Just ignore the topic if it is that upsetting to you.

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yeh, probably not the best header for post , it really is an energy thing that irks me and i also do not like or support censorship , i also know how dark (imo) financial (so called) markets are so it’s not like we are having chats about a price in a free market because i don’t think there is any fair price discovery in any market due to such concentrated pools of capital and politics and blah blah and that winds me up. I always enjoy reading what people have to say even about the token . Got the Android app by the way, incredible job, thank you.

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Thanks for that. Knowing people are using my stuff is a huge morale booster. Sometimes it feels like I’m fighting windmills :smile:

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i started learning with cli for first time and have rust, dweb and visual studio (i think thats what its called) setup but got spinning wheel trying to connect to stuff , but enjoyed setting it up and watching dweb compile i’ll post what;s in my cli terminal so i can get some help to connect properly and test out more apps and be more of a help

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That’s awesome. Getting the tool chain installed and sorted out is one of the hardest steps learning anything to be honest. I know some will disagree, but hooking up some kind of AI agent is great for asking questions and learning. Welcome aboard!

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