@tonbi told me in a private message that Automated trading wouldn’t be supported.
Are you guys in the same page?
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That’s pretty awesome @nemgun . This shows something. Nice.
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Yes for now it won’t be supported, we still can’t give final position regarding this point.
Don’t forget that the plugin system will be adapted to the demand of the users, which means that someone could release a bot to realise such operations, and the validator have to be able to support it. The real inconvenient of the HVT is that it slows the platforms, it all depends on the exchanges ressources and it is still complicated. On NVO it must be fluid, there can not be blocking because everything is independent. At least there won’t be fake volumes on a decentralized exchange, which means no manipulation.
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Are you planning to offer binary options in NVO?
What about just plain old options and futures markets?
As a plugin, yes, not directly from NVO. As of now, there are no real Binary Options platform who doesn’t fake the signals, a friend contacted me today and introduced me someone interested into binary options.
Binary options have to be legal, and it can’t really be decentralized, and the plugins can be centralized as it is meant to provide services to the users.
It’s clear from this thread that NVO is obviously actually the NWO. …I’m kidding.
I have a question, that I know the answer to pretty much, but want to confirm. The crowd sale instructions, about using a Bitcoin address you own the private keys to, are very wordy, and what I’m getting from it is that Omniwallet is perfectly sufficient to use for such a Bitcoin address, provided that you do indeed control the private keys for it. (I have further questions regarding Omniwallet’s retrieval of private key information, particularly regarding earlier versions of the site’s bitcoin address generation, but I’ll save that for another thread or ask a friend.) I just don’t see the word Omniwallet used anywhere in the descriptions, and even this entire thread (I think) has not one mention of Omniwallet. Said wordiness makes me feel like the crowd sale page is trying to convey something I don’t already know. Hopefully if someone “answers” this, it also helps other weirdos like me. Thank you!
I haven’t read a couple hundred replies, but I’m not sure what the fuss is about. If it works it works, if it doesn’t it doesn’t. Happy to drop some coins on this.
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Im soooo glad i stayed away from this one.
Something just didnt feel right.
To the nvo crew.
Maybe stop slating long term supporters?
Who do you think has been keeping the lights on?
You bring nothing to maidsafe until you have a working product, if you ever do.
Thanks 
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Im soooo glad i stayed away from this one.
Something just didnt feel right.
[/quote]It won’t be too long to see the results. Something just didn’t feel right is a good enough reason why our project will fail.
What is this supposed to mean? Our DEX will benefit cryptocurrencies community. We have 20,000 users and 6,000 participated in the crowdsale so far. Those users will end up using and testing the wallet which will ultimately translate to exchange users.
@Tonbi - Please stop arguing like a child. You’re a big boy now - a CEO, no less. Your posts are full of wounded pride, hurt feelings and being offended by somebody doubting your project. If you’re not a developer, at least try acting like a responsible face to the outside world. And proof-read your posts. If you’re able to, proof-read the HTML on your website. (The link to Yanni Bragui’s LinkedIn profile is still broken. If there is no profile, remove the link.) You’re not here to defend your honor. Your job is to represent a company and, if possible, organize some aspects of it.
I have invested a little something in NVO because I believe in the project and I don’t want some ill-tempered kid to screw it up. If you don’t like a comment, ignore it. Schoolboy rhetoric like “Please reflect on your attitude if…” and “What is this supposed to mean?” has no place in the business world.
Sincerely,
An investor
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This is the the type of hostility that is making us rethink our participation on this forum. We are looking for valid questions to answer about this project not personal and childish attacks on us.
No disrespect intended, but you clearly dont grasp the context of what i was trying to communicate.
I am not sure how you intend to answer, not that one was wanted, if you dont understand the statement.
It means exactly what it said.
I could not have been clearer.
I don’t think the forum itself is the issue here. You would most likely get the same responses and questions anywhere else, including personal insults and attacks. But if you feel that leaving this forum will make things better for you or your project then by all means find a new place to discuss NVO and it’s crowdsale.
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Yes, this is because any Bitcoin address can be used, and the NVO token will be made on counterparty, not Omniwallet. Regarding the private keys, you can use Omnicored as a normal Bitcoind daemon and dump the private key.
I understand what you say here, and you are right, it is because of the interventions of BIGbtc, withoutmashups and savage that the thread is always on top. The abuse of good things, leads to catastrophe.
I appreciate the questions of piluso as they are about the topic.
Yes, LN closed the account of yani as he gave access to Ton (to fine tune it), once yani connected in Algeria, they sent him an email saying it is a break in their TOS, we are still unsure about what will happen to the account.
On BTCT and HF we haven’t got as much issues, i am a member of the BTCT community, and everything went well, we had some troubles on reddit, but i don’t really use it, and on safeforum, but nothing harmfull, it is normal. SafeForum community have a different vision compared to the other communities, it is like when i first met Ton, we were disputing 3-4 times a day, but now, we form a good team.
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@tonbi I agree that if your team wants to be seen as professional you all need to take the high road and not argue with non factual trolls questions from actual hostile comments but also not feel like you’re on the defensive and argue every little comment from long standing and respectable community members. I was defending you at first because there was some initial unfair badgering but the way your team has dealt with that and conducted itself is very disappointing to say the least. There is always time to correct it though! Just all take deep breaths, start being more kind, concise, and respectful in your replies on this forum and you will see more support. Then prove you guys have the goods to bring this project home
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@tonbi told me in a private message that Automated trading wouldn’t be supported.
piluso:
4) Would it allow automatic/bot trading/HFT?
tonbi:
4- No it won’t, the trades can only be done by humans. Offline trading will be supported.
Are you guys in the same page?
Ok, then how you will make exchange volume without automated market makers?
People will not have liquid book to execute orders against it and it will never take off as spreads will be HUGE and customers will can execute only micro orders without slippage on price…
I read somewhere here that portion of volume (probably 10%) will be allocated to market making activities which is done via execution of automated trading models. So how people will able to make your markets then, and how this 10% will be distributed?
Question is very important to me, because I intended to run my market making strategies.
For market making activities it’s very important to have good API and control orders resting in various limit books as fast as possible to minimize adverse selection inflow, otherwise costs of making markets will be much higher and whole 10% will be spend much less effectively, it’s not possible to make it by human…
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Thank you for your reply. Be that as it may, you still have a broken link on your page, which looks sloppy. The sensible thing to do would be to remove the broken link now and put it back when the issue with LinkedIn is sorted.
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Fwiw experience has taught me that valuable development doesn’t really require diplomacy.
I remember last year arguing with David Sonstebo in the BCT IOTA thread. He was going mental and calling all of his investors retards. He was making jokes about how low everyone’s iq was next to his on a daily basis, swearing and telling people to ‘fek off’ constantly, threatening users with refunds if they didn’t apologise for questioning him etc. His sidekick come-from-beyond was only a little better, and they were both capable of a lack of professionalism that would shock anyone from the business world (that thread was like a school boy playground for the best part of a year). This thread is nowhere near the same level of childishness. I agree project teams are better off staying dispassionate in the face of criticism, it is preferable, but apparently it isn’t actually necessary.
Now David and cfb have produced something useful that actually works really well, and they have successfully established some very serious business connections. I remember saying much the same as above about the project being doomed because the management was so unprofessional, I was dead wrong, this isn’t like business in the real world, it’s about writing code and making things that people value (and hyping them and connecting them to the mainstream). All I’ve seen here is evidence of passion, defensiveness and irritability, all very human characteristics and none of them really that bad in the context of writing code and making the first really user friendly DEX.
Personally I’m not actually that put off. I like that these guys have a bit of fire in them and have shown evidence of being as passionate about what SAFE offers as most of us are.
I think we got off to a bad start because things spiral when we get defensive and feel attacked. Better just to draw a line under it imo and carry on discussions about more important things than people’s current emotional state of mind.
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Yes fees don’t make sense to me on SAFE exchanges, especially since the best / most widely used types will be completely decentralised trading protocols that enable truly p2p transactions
Wish you’d all stop bickering and just get on with it
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