Domain names are high value assets, if you believe SAFE will be very popular, they are a no brainer to amass. Remember you can sell them for a profit later on:
hmmmm - an auction 
never mind ⌠i like the current solution (and i especially like it because it doesnât mean using valuable resources to organize crowdsale-stuff âŚ) i donât say the other options are worse - but i say the other options take more time off the development ⌠and i want my safenet Now xD
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Hold it, I have to consult the guideâŚitâs been a while, we knew it was coming, what took you guys so long?
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Nice,
I often think of that one. There was a chap who did work for us that wanted a âkill switchâ to be able to stop the network. Thats the sort of thing/injection that we all need to be careful of as well as FUD spread in seemingly âhelpfulâ ways.
From agencies, trolls, traders to just disgruntled folks, they will all come and repeatedly for every project. Itâs good to always âconsult the guideâ from time to time 
That guide should get pinned at some stage, as we roll out more tests/alpha etc. and folk realise this works then I predict a huge increase in that kind of activity.
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WowâŚIâd be moving to a new language and re-writing it, just to be sure 
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I share @Jabba s feelings. Domains on the Safenet may turn into an investment, who knows, but is it likely? I don´t think so. Of course, I don´t know for anyone knows how much registering a public ID will cost. However, given the idea of a low threshold for people to enter the network, I´d suppose it won´t cost a lot (or nothing?). Then, domain grabbing is very easy and we will see many blocked IDs based on valuable WWW domains. That should be the moment where people start to set up decentralized DNS and use publicIDs only as identifier instead of a mere string. Also, one has to consider that value on the WWW developed under the condition of extreme scarcity - we won´t see that on the Safenet.
Anyway, don´t count me into team naysayer. I think this could and should be one perk out of many others in a prospective crowdsale (actually I rather prefer @piluso s proposal, but anything like that will get bought in a crowdsale).
Yes I agree on both counts, but that doesnât mean selling them now would raise more than a few grand does it? I mean even if raised $50k, itâs not making much of a dent for the effort required. Maybe Iâm wrong, maybe some people out there would spunk a lot on a load of names now as an investment. I just find it hard to imagine⌠itâs hard for for to picture how this raises a lot because I wouldnât bother buying any - not a very good way to judge it ofc. Iâm not sure Iâm right at all; I would love it to raise a fortune. As arti says, I donât want to be a naysayer, it just wouldnât have occurred to me as an idea to raise decent wedge now. 
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Itâs the centralized group that brought in the guy to make a âkill switchâ. If we decentralize the code development and acceptance that guy wouldnât stand a chance. There has to be a real solution, not a perpetuation of 10 years of squandering investment. We have a chance to create a system right now that will prevent any further mismanagement, for instance the crowdsale is no oneâs hereâs fault, itâs maidsafe and management. Even people said so ⌠why would you do that? ⌠and still the crowdsale goes how it went.
In the first place there wasnât even supposed to be DNS and was a major selling point of maidsafe safe system (no DNS). I can not understand why we have to keep centralizing and depositing everything to the corporation⌠itâs a âwhy do i have to go through google to connect to someoneâ why do i have to go through maidsafe to connect on the safe network?
I appreciate the spark that ignites the fire for this technologies and ideas, seriously though; there needs to be a real solution, not a patch up to the usual events.
Freenet even was built by one person in university. Do you really need a ton of managers and a ton of coders and still further hold out to need to build the apps of the future for the platform and on the dime of others? The proposal isnât even to sell shares in those future apps, it is to sell coins that also have unknown price in the future.
I think the plan shouldnât be how to further fund maidsafe from here, but rather what exactly we need to do as a community to have an implementation that we call safe network built that meets the specifications. Thinking out of the box would suggest not perpetuating the status quo of continuously funding a corporate entity to produce that.
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yeah i agree - when the project is at a further stage of development domains would be way more valuable than now âŚ
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hmhmmm - we could start a competitive rewriting 
we divide the maidsafe-team in 3 groups and use 3 different languages Oo the language with the first finished product will be the best and from then on be used 
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It wouldnât make sense to buy any coins if you cant farm or really develop an app and earn developer coins.
If there really wonât be a decentralized development process, with clear tasks then weâre right back where we started at the initial crowdsale where the vaults were âavailable next monthâ and a couple of years more of research to do
the safe network concept must be preserved because it could be achieved and it doesnât have to be done by anyone in particular
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yeah i agree and i vote for @dirvine to achieve it in particular because if i started programming today iâd still have nothing years from now
the concept is preserved because of github and the interviews with david Oo i donât see your point
yeah again - who will be managing that âŚ? if the 100% clear definition of every task eats up half the time it would take to program it (or even way more) than there is nothing won ⌠everybody can participate via github but i donât agree maidsafe should be forced to stop with the way of development that got us where we are right now
⌠that would only be stupid and destructive
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We have and there are commits from all over the world as well as devs we pay salary to. Anyone including you can commit code, it does not make it secure though unless itâs audited.
We also have decentralized DNS so do not use DNS servers as you know them. I do not see that as something we said we would never have, we have said we would be immune to DNS attacks as in the way countries effectively switch off DNS or limit it to filter peoples web browsing.
You can directly help by committing code, or even better just complete safex as that will be a great thing to do. There is a testnet and RFCâs for comment to help with that activity. Many folks are already using that to progress projects. It will help you a lot.
As a test perhaps take SafeX and completely decentralise it away from any authority or co-ordination (including yourself) and then we can evaluate that to see if it improves development speed. I think you may find it hard though, but it would be great if it did work.
We have found for instance that greater leadership and coordination have been required, to build this. That is why you see greater speed of iterations now.
Decentralising this will probably mean more teams across the globe, but I think there will always be teams or some kind of co-ordination and quality control required.
If you find a more limited Qa process then check out the dev process that is used by some similar projects and let us know if itâs a model we can use.
I am not sure why you have become very hostile @dallyshalla so soon after meeting with us over lunch in Troon recently. You seemed really keen to have Scotland as a place to live and work. What has caused this reaction ?
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Oh hey guys check it out another one of the short sellers who joined 3 hours ago because I exposed their leader @MarcelV and his buddy @benjaminbollen and that other new account that Ben had to create to support his false narrative.
these people think weâre morons! We know about your attempted to drive FUD we have all the information we need about you guys. Buzz off
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How are you making this association?
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This came from bens mouth this hasnât been proven to be valid. In my opinion just like everything else that came from his mouth was bogus Iâm pretty sure this claim is as well.
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@19eddyjohn75 A name auction is an excellent idea. Here is a way to implement it:
The basic idea is to use Namecoin as a vehicle for storing the names prior to the launch of SAFEnet, by analogy with the use of colored Bitcoin as a way of storing Maidsafecoin prior to the launch of Safecoin.
When someone wins the auction for a name, he signs the name with his private key, and then Maidsafe signs that signature, and secures the double-signature as a name in the Namecoin system.
Having both parties sign the name ensures that someone canât just sign a name, get the corresponding Namecoin name, and claim that it is his.
Maidsafe then publishes a list of such names and double-signatures (i.e., Namecoin names).
Anyone can verify that the name that a particular person won is his by verifying the signature with the public keys of the owner and Maidsafe in order to retrieve the name.
At the launch of SAFEnet, the names on the list are handed out to the owners. Verification could be as simple as an encrypted (to the same key) e-mail between Maidsafe and the owner.
It could be done manually (the auction and verification) but I see no reason why parts of it canât be automated.
The process of handing out the names can also be done on any of the beta nets that precede the production SAFEnet. That would be a nice test of both the name allocation process as well as allowing the developer/entrepreneur to use his app names on the test network.
EDIT: Actually. any permanent ledger might do instead of Namecoin, but Namecoin seems well suited to the purpose. One might put the list on, say, Factom (lol), or publish it as a classified ad in The Times.
EDIT1: The âauctionâ might be a rolling kind of process rather than a one-off actual auction, in which case Namecoin is probably best, with each (double-signed) name permanently published in an atomistic form. Maidsafe could then simply put the global list on their website and anyone could verify the one against the other and against the public keys of the parties involved.
EDIT2; One simple approach: anyone can go to the website and propose a name to be auctioned and these are logged on the website, so you have a big hat full of proposed names. Then there is an auction period, of say, 30 days (like Ebay) during which members of the public consider whether they want to bid on a name. There is a reserve price of, say, $500 (and err on the high side, there can always be more auctions if no-one bids on a particular name), for any name, no favorites. Bids are logged and at the end of the 30 days the highest bid is listed as the winner.
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This statement is patently not true @dallyshalla Ben left for his own reasons and when he started he said his time in MaidSafe was limited as he wanted to progress his own projects. Berlin was attractive to him and there he went following his plan. Thatâs all his business and nothing to do with coins or any of us for that matter. We should not make false statements about anyone like this. It is bad to use somebodies name to try and make a point, especially so when you mischaracterise them. Please donât do that.
[Edit] We did not know in October where cash was coming from, we did spend a long time looking and applying for EU funding for instance, but thatâs all another matter. We also looked at many options as we have spelled out and will continue to do so as you should rightly expect.
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Further, I propose that we have an additional sub forum that is strictly related to code development that is clear of hype and discussions irrelevant to construction and optimization of safe network.
When I started to build against the development network I began to think âwhat I am using what is it doing?â âis this really the safe network?â it is easier to connect your own servers to each other and serve data than to connect many strangers computers together and get a network that works out especially over time. So, I venture forth and study up on my own and cannot help to start realizing that this isnât it yet.
So then how can I get excited and promote this idea onward and commit more peopleâs attention to this project any further when perhaps itâs not yet complete and even potentially far from complete. The diminishing funds and need of more outside help it understandable; however, do we really have it right this time?
Which leads me to demand alternatives rather than legacy approaches. In this case
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we put out a forum strictly for developers where people can discuss known issues and present solutions. This way you do not need to solicit other groups they can come here and participate. (The current forum just drives serious developers the other way)
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Form some process of assigning tasks to be tackled by developers outside of in house, and the developer group is welcome to audit those codes.
Assuming extra maids are going to be used and 5m of them are for the commmunity development etc⌠then start with those first and allocate them to the development group. Headline MaidSafe gives away 500 btc toward development to complete the safe network utilizing this new process. And see how that starts to work out. That is something worth getting behind, otherwise we are set up to perpetuate the process of business cycle⌠build build build spend spend spend bust bust bust, fund fund fund. Thatâs fine; however, we need build spend build spend build spend launch. People are laying out their lives along with you on this, so you canât take it lightly. Canât just open the ocffers⌠I recall in safex crowdsale people asked me âhow much do you want me to put thereâ and Iâm glad to temper their generosity, and take just only what will work. We can not expect the group to pump maidsafecoin so that maidsafe can sell them. Because other people too can sell them before you. Time is ticking, we donât know what is left in your coffer, and if we have a decentralized development process we wonât need to know.
As for doing the decentralized development on safex, I realized the bitcoin limitations max ~20 signers⌠then thought just wait up for safe network we have unlimited I got excited about that, but diminished again because itâs not a reality just yet itâs going to take more work. Thatâs okay, but better we know it and where and discussions about it to the open and developers who are smarter than us can chime in. Or not even smarter, but see something we donât or didnât in that moment for that thing.
And now Iâm glad to realize hey wait up, I can actually put up to 20 signers to decide when to sign off on code commit payments and I wonât need all ~200 sec owners to vote on every code commit.
I simply propose we try things a different way; in tandem with your own efforts and I think that we can then see that this would lead to results.
Propose:
Take a portion of community allocation of the 5m maidcoins and allocate it to decentralized development commits where current tasks are presented, and worthy solutions rewarded.
Those discussions take place on a sub forum strictly moderated for development of safe network only. We donât need 10 mods for that, 1 or 2 will be fine.
Bounties paid for qualified solutions.
Maidsafe can definitely lead in this endeavor. If not at least might find there are discoveries happening that are critical to the softwareâs completion and success. Also this will lead to a knowledgeable group of people who can be a part of this ecosystem well into the future.
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