Is it possible that engineers from the community could volunteer to help do the actual work, or must it be engineers from the MaidSafe team?
How could the community support this?
@davidpbrown, see above
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Causing core devs a distraction at this point is not an optionā¦ and need not be, given the option above suggests a solution, which sees the community use of some 3rd party custodian that proves its ability to hold 1:1 conversion of Omni.MAID and ETH20.MAID back and forward. As above at conversion a move back to Omni, keeps it simple and not disruptive.
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Hiring someone extra to do all the work needed sounds like the best plan. We donāt want to stop the excellent Dev work. The fact @dirvine has met @SwissPrivateBanker makes the risk and trust much better.
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Imo, launching the network with a good Omni snapshot mechanism to seed genesis coins and protect from early/prototype network restarts makes all these issues go away.
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MVP will be the biggest differenceā¦ just might not satisfy the short term pump and dump crowd who donāt have the likes of Factom to trade 
MVP will attract a lot of attentionā¦ and to my mind ETH crowd are even more geeky than BTC; so, I donāt expect they will have a problem engaging, same as everyone else.
Still, the prospect of ETH20 is good and above sees one option that might work by not affecting Maidsafeā¦ all in favour of that one option. Unclear if hiring someone just for ETH20 in the short term makes good sense to Maidsafe against that second option.
Wellā¦I can think of other assignments they could give to this person, and Iām sure David could too, haha.
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Makes little sense where there is a simpler option. The intent should not be to distract Maidsafe, unless necessary.
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Thatās precisely it. If hiring someone shields the team working on the Network, I think thatās a good thing. This person can also be charged with managing any exchange related integration/dev issues as well. Perhaps thinking about the ultimate SAFE redemption process can also be added to this personās tasks.
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Youāre proposing a spend of Maidsafeās money, like itās not your ownā¦
The option that does not involve Maidsafe is bestā¦ and simplestā¦ and least liable to legal surprise too!
There will be those who are ignorant and do not want to see the MVP.
The MVP is the biggest option to see SAFE progress well into other markets and interest groups like ETH crowd.
Keep it simple. A 3rd party option to see conversion of Omni.MAID and ETH20.MAID back and forward, keeps it simple.
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Please donāt put words in my mouth. If you noted above, I asked āhow can the community be helpfulā in getting someone hired. Maybe thatās volunteering, maybe thatās fundraising, who knows.
Number 2: everyone here is making suggestions on how MaidSafe should manage their resources (yourself included), so please donāt pretend, indicate or intimate otherwise.
Also, that was just flat out rude.
Finally, Iām getting a sense that others may not perceive what you call a āsimpleā option as all that simple. Otherwise, why would David have brought up the potential need to hire someone? If thereās a need, Iād rather focus on figuring out how to meet it.
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Iām just noting how it readsā¦ youāre pushing hard without obvious reason.
was just flat out rude?
Unclear where you pull that fromā¦ Iām just noting what has been suggested as possible.
Is it ironic that you are pushing the more complex and harder option, that binds Maidsafe in a knot.
Again, letās keep it simple. Focus on what is practical.
We are not here to satisfy day tradersā¦ the concern must be what is best for delivering the MVP.
If there is a positive option on community activity beyond, then that is VERY welcome. Making demands of Maidsafe, is less so.
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I donāt even know where to begin with that. The obvious reason is to support a worthy project that can transform the world but is currently struggling to gain influence and recognized value at a time when the market is primed to move. I donāt know what could be more obvious than that.
Maybe because:
Not really; Iāve suggested many, many, many different options. In fact, I started an entirely separate thread to outline another option to getting to the ultimate goalāincreasing access to MAID and exposure to this project. In fact, Iāve stared multiple discussions and proposals on that very topic.
If I had heard/read that your āsimpleā option was a likely go ahead from other voices here, but there were challenges that I thought were surmountable, Iād argue for that. Bear in mind this isnāt my proposal and I had to be persuaded, but I will support what I believe makes sense.
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Youāre pushing one option, without acknowledging the other?
I donāt know, what is possibleā¦ that is why we all need to consider the reality and avoid jumping to conclusions. Iām just reading what is above from SPB, where he noted two options. One looks to my mind less problematic that the other.
Sure but focus on the matter at handā¦
there are two suggestions from SPBā¦ one looks simple, the other does not?
See above post. Also, not going to keep doing this dance with you. Now you sound like the one who is closed-minded, and itās all starting to feel trolly and off topic.
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There are two options, you have acknowledged only oneā¦ why?
Leave the question unanswered, if you want. Iām just asking the simple questions because there is merit in what SPB proposed.
I will suggest only that we stick with what we know.
- We do not want to distract dirvine and potentially others in engineering from the task at hand, for delivering the MVP.
- We do not want to spend Maidsafeās money, where that is a limited resource.
If thereās spare cash, then itās dirvineās call; and I have no issue to date with his instincts for what is best for the project.
Still, better if there is option for not obliging Maidsafe, that we consider that as a real option.
Just getting the undertones from Davidās post letās me know this is definitely not a good time for him personally and it would be highly disruptive to progress. But I still feel strongly that it should be done. @SwissPrivateBanker are you still willing to talk with @Sotros25, myself, and anyone else on how this process could be moved forward with the caveats weāve gained from replies in this thread from the team, so that we can get something to the point they could thumbs up and forward to a lawyer? Or possibly thumbs down where either it gets refined or dies.
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I think the moment we want to believe something, we suddenly see all the arguments for it, and become blind to the arguments against it. Both sides are valid, True. But, the way I see it, we are too close to be distracted now from the goal.
Do not be distracted by the noise. We are Very close now. Hold steady, donāt panic, stay the course, show up every day. At this point the moment the team gets distracted and stops showing up, is the moment when things will take much longer. I think it might be a delicate balancing act too, between time and funding right now. Delay the launch, perhaps just a little, might mean failure before the ERC20 effect can even be realized.
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Yes, I am more than happy to help in any way that I can.
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I think we the community could help out with it. I think the snapshot would be an RPC command to OmniCore. We could research that. For signature verification for claiming SAFE coins there was a Rust Bitcoin library that I looked at briefly, but it wasnāt immediately clear if it had support for signature validation. Another thing we could help research.
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Very cool! Do you think you could pull together a ādemoā of sorts?
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