First, if you think this is a flame war, you come from a much kinder gentler internet than the one that I inhabit. No one is spamming the forum to drown out your posts or calling you names.
Second, the initial questions you are asking are not new, and they are legitimate. They were and have been asked by others on this forum, and were promptly, respectfully, and thoroughly answered.
That was weeks and in some cases months ago.
So for you @prophetx or @lowry_jim to start regurgitating these questions and asking as though no answers have been provided, and providing no thoughts as to why the answers given by the devs, when the decisions were made, are somehow invalid because of a price change is disingenuous and makes it difficult to understand your motives.
Third, this is a forum of the SAFE community, not of the larger cryptocurrency community. That means that our communal norms are based around 1. our shared beliefs about the desireability of what the SAFE network promises and 2. on our previous communications with each other and the MaidSafe team on this forum.
If you contradict those norms you are gonna get push back. If you want to privately approach Nick or David, they have made themselves, frankly AMAZINGLY available. But if you want to publicly bash their decisions and make straw man arguments, about the value of the proxy token, the development of a Rust port BY AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT TEAM, and complain about the website roadmap, when the team PUBLISHES THEIR FREAKING TEAM MEETING NOTES EVERY WEEK, then expect us all to disagree with you and disagree quite vigorously.
I have no experience coding but over 30 yearsâ experience running my own companies and the ups and downs of dealing with issues and employees. I know of no other company that has been as truthful, honest and open as MaidSafe. David has always worked 110% in the interest of all and deserves nothing more than our utmost respect and admiration. Having arbitrary expectations and imposing self- serving deadlines on the people who are actually doing the work is insane. What David and his team are doing has never been done before so it will take the time it takes and we should all be grateful for all the efforts being made. History will surely mark this period as one of the greatest empowering feats of this century. Something that cannot be accomplished within a defined time period.
It doesnât really matter, itâs not like MaidSafe will have to sell anything to customers. Theyâre building a distributed autonomous content network that they ultimately wonât have any control over. They can afford to speak their minds freely. I mean, just look for example at the language of Linus Torvalds, everyone here is an angel compared to him, and heâs the man behind freakin Linux.
Iâm a big believer in free speech, not only in law, but also in practice. If David or anyone else from MaidSafe thinks someone is just trolling and trying to damage the project somehow, they should be able to just say so in plain words. I respect that a lot more than deceptive PR speech.
You guys know why trolls FUD in the first place? Because they want your coins, cheap!
Same fud and hype cycle with the sole intent to buy low and sell high is in all shitcoins and altcoins.Too bad this isnât your regular pump and dump, chaps .
The toughest situation is when they use existing facts to support the arguments ,of course without giving a damn when redirected by the helpful community to the relevant resources and answers. God have mercy on those who believe and follow them.
Each one of us is accountable for their own decision, but having such an amazing community here should help even the poorest of us making the right call. @dirvine is always present although he has other more pressing tasks on his head and I couldnât even imagine someone coming here and bashing the project and the leader without reading through his posts and seeing his helpful, supportive and humble personality. Iâve only respect for this guy and what he tries to realize.
@dirvine: about deadlines: I hope you guys have Testnet 3 by December 2015. If not, December 2016 will do it tooâŚno pressure
About maidsafecoin price: Who the f**k cares about it now???
Seriously prophetx and jim lowry, youâve had youâre arguments and questions which have received answers, on a neutral tone. Any continuation from you on this line just means youâre here to troll and FUD and should be banned.
There is about plenty of motivational information that you and your team can educate yourselves for the remainder of time.
BTW, since you are so concerned with the coin price, how about you quit and just go enjoy life while you are ahead, or the market might tank to zero if someone decided to ruin your party. You can choose to be friends with the coolest guys⌠or not.
Exactly, when folks wonder what a dev is up to they can easily look at people who are working on these projects and see individual effort, it can be enlightening. Itâs easy to do, just dirvine (David Irvine) ¡ GitHub to see activity This speaks much more than any PR company ever can. [ just replace dirvine with any other name to see individual effort, not a brilliant measure, but a measure never the less ]
Itâs not a real shirt (gimp)âŚjust my knee jerk reaction (after telling friends about their website) to those who, rather than staying steady at the task in an attempt to build the tallest building in town, instead, go around with blow torches trying to burn down everyone elseâs building.
I too didnât understand why the roadmap wasnât being updated for weeks, feeling a little let down since Iâd only recently learned about it. But then I looked around. And saw that there are weekly dev updates, with considerable headway being made. I even caught the fact that theyâre deliberately not touching that version of the timeline. I catch a few inconsistencies with what some of the developers say even later, but I still keep it to myself. The whole original post here just appears to be venting. âDev team has been very skittish about giving any kind of development timeline with dates and TARGETS.â Well, yeah. I guess it would be nice. But I heard Paige say April in some video, theyâre shooting for, Testnet3 Iâm assuming⌠although, IIRC I think some TN3 elements are already being worked on. Itâs a big overhaul right now, and massively deserving of respect â instead of venting, or coming in with standard business mindsets (when this aims to shatter a million of them). Iâm getting a bit abstract or rather vague, so Iâm done!
the paradox between investor and software developer is as same as the one between software developer and software tester. To some degree, I was also worried about whether Safe project would be launched or not. I do best wish for the Safe project and hope badly it can be successful. However, as a speculator or a investor (IMO both are the same), I should be more rational. Yes, I totally agree with @dallyshalla. For speculating, I already almost have sold out all my holding Maidsafe. For the ideal freedom and liberty, I will be farming as hard as I can when it launches.
We had a discussion about amending the roadmap, as it does not communicate the level of activity and progress currently being made, but decided to leave it as is for a couple of weeks. We have made some considerable changes (very much for the better) and will let these bed-in before making changes. We do appreciate that the roadmap is an important communication tool and we will amend it shortly, but keep reverting to the dev updates for the next couple of weeks.
Regards the comments about hiring a PR person. I couldnât agree with @dirvine and others more. I would far rather than we give open and honest answers and call people out when they are being condescending and disingenuous rather than submitting a canned PR response.
I really donât think you should worry about the roadmap too much, there are more important issues for now. My guess is that this project will get a lot more traction once testnet3 is launched and therefore the website should reflect the current status more accurately, but you already know that, donât you?
The situation is not ideal, but also not a dealbreaker, so Iâd say donât worry about that for now.
Damnit, I canât find the video of Frankie Boyle asking the stockbroker if he ever thought buying a gun and blowing his own ******* head off. Would fit right into this theme. Although I have to say we just switched roles a bit david, I shouldâve been the one posting the video of Bill Hicks while you talk about the most evil Scotsman there probably is
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