I considered it suspicious, said it reminded me of the “Google attack” idea, that’s all.
The other thing was subsequent and also valid speculation. Everyone else was just going weeeeeee this is amazing, which is dangerous complacency IMO.
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I am just looking at it technically and seeing what it can do and get as much info as possible from It all and it’s telling us stuff for sure. So it’s valuable to me.
The token thing is separate and I don’t comment much on that, but regardless of anything it will be gamed as much as possible from all angles possible. What we need though is lots of large groups gaming each other 
Under all that I hope the folks running nodes in far flung places get a chance to pay for their computers etc. and get a chance to get involved along the way. I would love to see it grow to 10’s of millions of nodes and ultimately nearly all of them from folks running small computers and apps etc. Also my robots of course 
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Alright I am going to embrace it because despite my misgivings it is a monumental achievement.
I hope bigballz has his upgrading game on par with his deployment game.
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I’d be excited about people arriving and getting onboard as clients, both uploaders and downloaders, regardless of network size.
But, predictably, we are not seeing that. A big question is how can we change this, and my questions about it have gone unanswered which is also worrying.
I’m not sure we are learning much from an empty network, except the at if the rewards are high enough people will run masses of nodes in data centers.
So what?
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Well optimistic me says the shear magnitude of this will bring eyes and discussions and as a result users.
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I just want a simple to use app that will replace Google Drive. I have a plenty of data which I want to upload but currently, not possible…
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Exposure is good, but the barriers to uploading mean that conversion is going to stay terribly poor until we can do something about that. Even long term supporters are saying it’s too hard so they aren’t trying.
Unless all we are interested in is a few high volume uploaders that is, which would be terribly sad from my point of view.
Until I see some moves or even ideas for us to tackle that issue, I remain pessimistic with respect to the fundamentals.
I’m not taking about money here, or the usefulness of the network to some. I never have been.
I’m always looking at the fundamentals and how we are doing with respect to them.
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I am now going from 150 (up from 100) to 200 nodes per sbc on the starlink dish. Should start hitting 6GB memory used and 66-75% CPU
They are still all giving out quotes and working fine as far as I can tell. The B/W is still well below the 7.5Mbps allowed for each of 4 devices on 30Mbps uplink. About 2.5 Mbps for 150 nodes currently.
Mind you when the network starts getting used I will have to dial back. But with 1.8 million nodes it’ll take a lot now to load it down. But with so few files on it, those nodes with any records would get loaded if people DDOSed those files
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The team are working flat out, if there are bugs in uploading we will handle them as we find them, but this very second as you can imagine it’s all hands as we monitor and check off some network issues we are seeing. So a wee bit of help will be good from folk.
The suggestion the team does not care is really really bad in my eyes as these guys are floored daily in emergency meetings, quick PRs and the like. They will do whatever they can to help with the API and use of the network, but suggesting they don’t care is below the belt here. That is 1000% not the case, they do want to help but they are really really busy making this all happen and it is happening as we can see.
So let’s get the uploads and downloads all working as well as we can and do it together. I hope we don’t as a community just stand at the side shouting insults and accusations as that is not gonna help. Let the team help where they can, but understand the sheer pace of work right now that is happening as I am sure we can all imagine.
They have been insulted and put down way to much in recent weeks, they need a chance to breath and help out. They are not a bunch of uncaring incompetent people here, they are real human beings who really care a lot and they are being deflated with all this talk of uncaring. It may seem they have ignored a lot, but they have prioritised getting the network up and running.
There will be bumps in the road, but these can be solved if we all work together and realise none of us want it to fail. Surely that must be obvious all round and from every angle.
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The team must be on cloud 9 with this result, I hope that @joshuef is taking a victory lap too.
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Yes this network is certainly showing how well the network is interconnecting. Almost like it will be capable to replace much of the commercial internet servers etc
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I will give you some examples of today and this is because we have the network running and it’s grown so much
We found
- Some nodes had thousands of connections hanging
- Some nodes have linearly growing resource usage and will die soon unless we fix that (turns out it’s our nodes AFIK and we can solve it, perhaps)
- UpNP is not working effectively due to flag configs and some code issues
- home-network flag and relays using issues
- uploads failing with not enough quotes (that turns out to be relay vanishing during quote)
These are all related and connected. The whole team were on this most of the day ad in a very long diagnosis meeting to figure it out. There’s round the clock working on these items.
Then we know about the cli and API differences in uploading files verses archives and there is not identification on the data type to tell us.
At the same time Anselme and some others are
- Polishing and unifying the API calls
- Writing rust and python examples to cover the API usage
- Updating the docs with @JimCollinson and others to make sure they are good
That leaves nobody free to even go get a cup of tea The team are flat out and they are learning and fixing as fast as possible to keep this network up and data persistent. We have not called persistence yet, but we want to and we are working to make that the case.
It’s not easy, we never said it would be and it’s not impossible, it is possible, but it’s so much simpler if the team can come on the forum and engage, but the hostility recently has stopped many from doing so and I cannot force them to engage. It’s not in their interests to be battered when they are so busy. But work, they are working and working hard.
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Saw that this morning with one node having 2000 Routing table peers. LOL
Yea I never got uPnP working even with enabling UPnP in the router (MikroTik on HFC) - Yet my son could run a game server on my old laptop using UPnP on it
Oh and standard Starlink routers do not allow UPnP at all, its not even there. Also no port-forwarding
It would seem that there will have to be some ability to not need prot-forwarding/UPnP or exclude a very much growing connection type. Satellite links. Over 5 million today and likely to be 50 million in 2 years
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Same! I see EA games with open UPnP ports, so it must be possible with the right coaxing.
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I’m sure they must be flat out, but it is amazing the watch and contribute where possible.
The team are doing a brilliant job!
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Yes, but they do allow ipv6, but that’s another huge can of worms. What can we do though in those cases, if they are not full cone nat then they cannot be p2p nodes etc. That’s some of our problems we need to overcome. However if the man does not allow incoming connections and blocks them all then what?? (starlink uses CGNAT as well)
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I removed my Gen 1 router altogether and connect a MikroTik router to the power brick (which controls the functioning of the dish/connection) and have been using port-forwarding quite successfully earning and quoting on similar levels to my PC running 600 nodes through a HFC link
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I am deeply and eternally grateful to you and the team, for doing the impossible, and continuing on this difficult road.
When I think where we were not too long ago, and where we are today, I’m amazed and excited.
Steady as she goes, and take a break whenever possible. This is not a sprint, but a marathon.
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Well I can see one singular IP address has a lot of nodes. And that maybe isn’t all the nodes at that address. My nodes only see a portion of a 2 million network
38605 185.202.xxx.xxx
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Someone who wants to invest $1 million (pennies for the crypto world) right now will only take 345k ant instead of 5 million ant because of the low liquidity.
Such a player has no choice but to buy tokens directly from the network by providing resources. I wouldn’t be surprised if we hit 100 million nodes in the coming months.
Of course, then the story about the use of free resources on people’s computers will remain just that - a beautiful story, no one will spend a whole month running nodes for 1 cent, they will simply buy tokens from the market to use the network…
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