Beat me to it.
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its very useful to know if your investment will move or not on x timeframe, especially if your overexposed which i know some of you are.
Iām pointing out there is no/barely any hope based on avail. data and logic. Iām also pointing out you will be able to scoop up ANT cheap over time, which is awesome if you consider investing or adding to your bag
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Autonomi getting renewed interest from this very low base is quite likely in my view.
Improved UX will make it far more likely, and thatās starting to emerge, and should be in a much better place after impossible futures teams deliver.
Also, the level of selling has been tiny, and buying even less.
A single big player wanting a serious position due to fundamentals would not skip this due to the chart shape on negligible volumes, and they could buy up all available liquidity & shift the market dynamics single handedly.
Anyway, see you in 2026ā¦ or way beyond that if you want to wait for more significant ecosystem development.
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all good
just thought itās a bit funny of a statement ā¦
ofc rising price would be looking nice and attract people by its own. a falling price is not ideal; nobody should buy more than he can afford to loose anyway 
people around here should have learned it by now ā¦ it has taken a while to get here and itās not known when the world will understand what this network is capable of
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Being bound to blockchain toilet is major drawback adding so much cost to basic use (upload) of network.
Core tech is getting there, so next up the native token is the paramount need.
Cracking whip on @loziniak, how fast could you get to a MVP for a native token that can 1. bridge native token from/to ANT 2. send/receive native token? Iād lock/burn real ANT to begin flowing money into a solution even knowing itās alpha and could be lost, just to get experimentation and evolution sped up.
At that point the team could evaluate it and maybe we start opting to accept mining rewards via native token instead of ANT. ANT value is preserved, native token is built up, team stops bleeding ETH for rewards payments.
Iād accept native for node rewards.
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The notion of a mysterious whale or VC stepping in to save the chart is always funny to me. Has never happened, they donāt dabble with ultra low liquidity coins on a downward trajectory with no clear timelines.
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You sound like a guy called @andyypants who would periodically drop in and attempt to demoralize the community. Always convenient timing. Considering the level of risk involved with this project, I would consider everyone here overexposed. Please explain how we go from almost entirely theoretical to launched and no/barely any hope. Thanks in advance.
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Now weāre talking. Reinforcements are at the ready. See @southside. Should be a seperate topic.
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as much as fees are a pain I cannot understand this rush to native ā¦ the team already had a pretty good plan for native - it is pretty robust (even with known challenges like data forks on wild concurrency etc weāve seen in the testnet phase) ā¦ the team focusing on data consistency, upload/download reliability and consistency (native payments are data too) is absolutely right and prioritizing APIs too is absolutely correct as well imho ā¦
ā¦ in this moment of time I am glad we donāt need to care about the payment layer and can just focus on the rest of the network ā¦ uploading gigabytes of data and having it secured in a fully decentralized way as forever storage for a few bucks is already significantly more than any blockchain out there can deliver (!!!)
Why donāt we focus on the data layer + Applications now first ā¦?
Iām using mainnet very actively (Iām pretty sure more active than 97% here) and even though I uploaded orders of magnitudes the data I generate per month in the last 14 days I just spent around 50 USD or so ā¦
itās a pity fees donāt go to node runners but fees donāt stop useful applications at this moment of time!
when btc started it was slower and significantly less useful than our current mainnet - imho the teams focus is absolutely right and we can get rid of the blockchain burden as soon as weāve proven this tech has purpose and value ā¦ what does it help to rush to native and have people flood the network now with petabytes of data that needs to be taken care of the next months/years too while there are still not thousands of applications and millions of users ā¦ itās a good thing to start small and itās good that we have some over-capacity due to blockchain fees throttling uploads atm while the team fixes the most pressing issues ā¦
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I still donāt understand it 
Decentralized internet ā imho way to slow for that, even if you 10x write speeds (from 50s for a chunk to 5s) its still too slow and I conjecture that the ultra-decentralized setting makes it almost impossible to even 10x write speeds at this point; the UX fundamentally is limited by these speeds that the average user will just not tolerate
Massive filestorage ā yes possible when at some point in the future eth fees go away, but even then you have strong competition by established players like arweave & CO
Privacy (for DNM, etc) usecase ā unclear. FBI could host lots of nodes and log IPs + payments
Tokenomics ā bad, no value capture for ant + Iāve outlayed that how the current upfront-only model probably wonāt work, especially if thereās actually lots of bandwidth needed
So whats the real USP here, whoās gonna massively adopt this and push ANT to the moon?
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did you test the network and apps?
it being too slow for everything is nonsense; with some smart caching in apps itās perfectly fine already. uploading and downloading is fast if we ignore the payment time (and for everything already paid for (data already online and/or just updating scratchpads) it is that fast already).
depending on app developers doing the UX nice.
just relax
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yes, consistently seeing at least 40-80s for 1mb upload. Downloads are faster while going through the network (atlas, etc.) but still much slower than one would be used from the normal web. And right now thereās a massive oversupply of nodes and almost no users - how will downloads speeds be if there would be thousands of users requesting the nodes concurrently ?
- of which close to all the time is consumed by the quoting and payment process
- 1mb or 12mb will be roughly the same time
- the bigger the files get the better this benchmark gets
Iāll try to stay away from this topic again 
good luck trying to fud the price further down
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Solana alpenglow does sub 200ms finality now.
I think we can put the notion that autonomi will ever be used for decentralized finance to bed, and that is bad for price. Not sure if just data will cut it.
Start integrating teamā¦
It scales well, besides, firedancer will fix your ETH fee issue. In a few months sol transactions will be even cheaper, far cheaper than your arb transactions
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You sure? You didnāt seem to know what finality was a couple of weeks ago. Solana was more like 12s to finality the last time I checked. There were also faster alternatives.
Itās a data network. Finance was never a central goal, but a happy side affect of storing any data (financial transactions are just small data).
Youāre also comparing apples with oranges. A heavily optimised finance blockchain solution like Solana vs a decentralised, distributed p2p network, which doesnāt even have a native token yet.
Autonomi could easily show massive performance improvements relatively quickly. Weāre just at that part of the development curve where this happens (e.g. LCN - light client network - work about to be released).
We know that updating scratchpads is already 500 - 1000ms in many cases from other performance results posted here. They are probably most representative of storing data with native currency. Pointer updates are likely even faster (as they are free too) and more similar to financial transaction size too (i.e. tiny).
So yeah, Solana is quicker at transactions right now. Autonomi can stream 4K movies though. How does Solana do there?
Native token will have a tighter integration, better privacy and will build on the core strengths of the team.
Besides, Autonomi doesnāt need to compete with Solana for currency. It will be nice if it is in the same ball park - and it should scale super well due to the decentralised and distributed architecture - but it isnāt a core goal of Autonomi. Itās a data network, primarily.
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You have to wonder why those with such a negative outlook on the token are wasting time even posting. LOL Canāt have much going on in their lives if this is one of their highlights for their day to be negative about a token they feel is never going anywhere
People post their views positive and negative but a few see this as worthless and getting worse, those are the ones I am talking of
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Itās a question of how fast is usable, not which is the outright fastest. At least for UX. People generally donāt mind waiting a few seconds, as long as it looks like something is happening.
The early signs are that throughput is good too. That bodes will for bigger movements of data, including streaming (e.g. 4K videos).
For node supply, I suspect many are shoe horned into highly loaded machines, earning tokens for doing very little. LCN is partially a response to that, from what Iāve read.
We are actually likely to benefit from fewer, more response, nodes. The bar for entry is too low at the moment, imo.
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Considering their emphasis on token price, I suspect their thoughts reflect their desires.
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Itās also worth mentioning there were people who bemoaned the omni MAID and argued for ERC-20 back in 2018 who got reprimaned in a manner similar to this.
We all know how it worked out.
Like it or not, some people will be unhappy about many things associated with this project and still be generally supportive of its goals, thus applying these same old cliched wisdoms every time someone voices their discontent with anything feels pretty off.
Just my two cents.
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Its just an observation. Most have and express positive views and negative views, and thats normal, for and against directions taken. But those who just claim the token is worthless and getting worse and its all no good, those are the ones I wonder about
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