Hosting where?
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presuemeably on the decentralized LBRY network (since that was what Odysee was before the dev company got hit by the SEC lawsuit). I havenāt looked into it further if the data is already integrated into the blockweave
Would be great to see how easy this is. Do you just download a client/proxy and play them in your browser directly from Arweave?
Or, is it just some hosted solution with a Arweave in the back end somewhere?
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you can just go and watch on https://odysee.com/. It is (or was) hosted on the LBRY network (Odysee - Wikipedia) - not sure how it is handled since arweave has bought it up, Iād assume theyād be running the same infrastructure for hosting the video nodes; but thereās hardly any info since they have been bought up (probably because of the SEC lawsuit on lbry before). They are launching a new decentralized platform or all kinds of media https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20250527428788/en/Odysee-Unveils-Portal-with-Independent-Media-Alliance-as-Flagship-Partner-for-New-Decentralized-Publishing-Platform right now, seems to be in the same spirit of decentralization/censor-ship restistance with arweave as an optional perma-storage integrated
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Jeremy Kauffmanātech entrepreneur and radical libertarianāstarted LBRY and is the guy we should be talking to. SEC lawsuit was complete and total dogshit.
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Well, I predicted a long time ago that if Autonomi is successful, this will be the most widespread solution. Portals over the clear internet to the Autonomi world - a much more realistic option than making someone download specialized software to access data.
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Iāll have a read, thanks!
IIRC, egress isnāt free with Arweave though? EDIT: Unless you self-host the blockchain, presumably?
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Itās a pretty narrow band of success though. Channelling distributed data, through a centralised gateway, to distributed users, is pretty much an anti-pattern. Yes, it can be done, but it is sub-optimal and adds layers of cost. It also doesnāt preserve your privacy in the same way as direct access, nor does it rely on DNS, etc, where censorship is an issue.
IMO, it should be both easy and possible to talk directly to the Autonomi network. If we canāt do that, we have failed with a key objective. Thatās not to say Autonomi couldnāt be successful - much like Bitcoin, while failing to be money/currency - but it would be a much diminished outcome.
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Only if you believe that what you describe should happen immediately. My observation is that the mass of people are not worried about the third party and their data, so this mass of people needs to be replaced so that technology can help, i.e. if we kill the technology, it will someday become successful in the things you describe.
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Very interesting!
From an initial look, it does seem that Arweave hosting is optional & primarily used for more sensitive data (not necessarily a bad thing), and the website isnāt hosted on Arweave, so itās not as fully decentralised as an Autonomi based alternative would be.
But, itās impressive the adoption theyāve managed to build, and censorship resistence is there when needed. I do wonder how anyone would access the videos with the website taken down though, which of course couldnāt happen with Autonomi.
I agree on the bad tokenomics & supply outstripping demand, but I think the scale of selling is so small that it could be overcome by a not huge boost in demand.
Not gaining mindshare is a real risk, but I donāt think many of the de-pin projects out there are comparable in scope, capability, and disruptive potential vs Autonomi, so thereās a lot of potential upside in awareness once thereās decent stuff to show.
Only time will tell how itāll play out, but coordination between what app-devs are focusing on and marketing efforts would certainly improve the chances of success.
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@bux Hit this guy up; Jeremy Kauffman - LBRY | LinkedIn
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I agree, you need to make the access as easy as possible. Tens of millions of people interact with ethereum but only a handful run a ethereum full node. The same will hold true for autonomi if you want it to have any legal usage you need it be fast, accessible via the clearnet and not too different from visiting other websies. Only if its for running darknet markets, fine, then people will do anything as long as its preserves their privacy - but if ant is only used for running silk-road and pirated movies, that would be the final nail in the coffin for the token price since no good exchange would ever list it. You need regular normies as well and they donāt tend to care about decentralization or privacy, people upload their entire lives to chatgpt and let siri listen to them 24/7
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And thatās okay. As long as the technology is capable of providing protection against a malicious third party, the rise of that third party is unlikely. If such a day ever comes, then the masses can migrate and protect themselves.
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If it is easy, there is no reason to think adoption couldnāt be quick.
I mean, if you need 1 dedicated app to install, which unlocks distributed downloads, itās hardly a bind. Folks download apps for all sorts of stuff they use.
Sure, we can go the web gateway route - AntTP can certainly support that too - but then someone has to pay for being that man in the middle (bandwidth costs, mostly), which are avoided with direct payments. Also, the gateway becomes the target of any legal action, much like VPN companies, etc.
But sure, more options the better. I just think itās pretty easy to run apps that directly connect you to Autonomi already.
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Web gateways are fine to have zero-friction tasters, but itās really not that hard to get a tiny app and then Autonomi is your oyster!
For other networks I can understand needing gateways as theyāre not that easy to interface with, but Autonomi should be different in this regard, and really can be a ānew internetā.
Once the offering is strong enough, I wonder if a partnership with someone like Brave browser to get Autonomi access to all of their users could be a good play?
Would Anttp integration with a browser like Brave be an option theoretically?
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I for one am glad the price is where it is. Allows me time to slowly accumulate more. Drop to 2 cents, great, Iāll keep buying little bits at a time all the way down. Iām in no hurry, this is just side money anyway (never invest what you canāt afford to lose!).
I remember people saying the same things about bitcoin when I got into it years ago: its only used by nerds, dark web users, and money launderers, it will never gain traction in the ārealā world, the price is already $X, it could never go higher, the price will collapse when the halving happens, etc. Then it would double in price and the arguments would recycle again.
In terms of tech, all bitcoin does is shuffle a single shared data structure around, thatās it. Its limitations are guaranteed by its design, and thatās fine, because it was only meant to do one thing. Autonomi allows sharing all data everywhere at once. Blockchain projects will never be able to compete in this space, they werenāt meant to, as much as people keep trying to drive that screw with a hammer. Thatās the whole reason Iām here vs the thousands of other projects out there. I could go build anywhere, and probably make more money doing it, but this is the only one that, in my opinion, could made a difference in this space.
So I am of the mind donāt market the network, donāt go through the alt-coin hype cycle. Bitcoin didnāt, the technology spoke for itself. Autonomi wonāt have to either. MaidSafe needs to keep stabilizing the network, then focus on figuring out a native token when the network is rock solid. Easy to use apps are on the way, but network stability is the key.
We can afford to speak softly, the tech is our big stick.
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Need a double like feature well said !
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As a browser plugin that registers aut:// protocol handling and acts as the client loading resources from the network?
You canāt have that without adoption Iām afraid - you have to get the browsers to support it, an extension canāt do this AFAIK. Thatās why we used to have Safe Browser and why Iāve suggested someone could implement Autonomi access using Peerrsky.
Until all the main browsers support ant:// scheme you have to download something, whether a local server like dweb or AntTP, or an Autonomi browser, or a stand alone do-xyz app for each thing you want to do.
The nice thing about dweb (or AntTP) will be that by downloading that you get access to a lot of apps without downloading again, because they are web apps, which is what was once how it was supposed to be. And that means effectively only one login for all those web apps.
Only when companies became addicted to spying and selling users, did apps explode in preference to web apps. Nobody really needs a native app, and I hardly use any apart from Browsers for this reason.
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Do you know where the limitation is in making network access through a browser plugin/extension and protocol handler possible?
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