This is not really a concern of the network at a protocol level. The network should not care what the content is.
I understand the frustration of content creators. Their works can easily be reproduced, which makes the economics tricky for those affected. PtP will not solve this and may well damage the core network though.
I do not get it, so we are basically rewarding up-loaders for views of content that is watered marked. So I could create an app for photography and upload all my content and when anyone uses my app now I will get 20% rewards. I am sure I could create an app that has large amount of content.
The numbers on the network will mostly be farmers, that creates a fast network and cheap storage, by farming reward people will naturally upload content as business model to make a better network. So as content provider and a farmer it is a win win situation.
If someone creates social media app and someone posts knowledge and thoughts should they be rewarded as producer. What art form is more important, whom determines this. This idea is socialism by taxing the worker to pay the artist. My opinion anyway…
Even when the network is implemented without PtP, right?
Ok let me think about all this for a sec.
I’m definitely missing something big here, I think, because everyone’s pointing it out. Let me zoom out and rethink. Sorry if I’m being dumb about something!
It’s just so strange… Because we won’t need “Apple iTunes” with SAFE… Everyone uploads their songs directly to the SAFE internet storage, not to Apples servers anymore, so there’s no need for that middle man anymore, taking 30% & giving 70% to the real person.
Do you understand the business model changes I’m grappling with? I’m not trolling I swear, I’m honestly trying to imagine what it’s gonna be like on SAFE
But how would anyone get money?
Once anything leaks AT ALL from SAFE private net to the SAFE public net, it’s available to everyone forever for free, without ever being able to be taken down.
So consumers will never (or at least, much less often than on today’s internet) pay for music, movies, photos, anything anymore, because once something gets leaked it’s free for everyone forever and ever
^that’s my main assertion here
Thanks, this is what I was trying to say. You worded it much better 
Does anyone have any ideas for solutions here?
Gotta answer my question first — Where is the money going to come from???
When you pay for storage you ought to be paying for storage, not paying for blockbuster movies to be made to be handed out for free… There is no reason at all to think that 10 percent will be anywhere near enough to be enticing to any content creator.
I disagree man, YouTube pays it’s viral video uploaders money, so as a producer, YouTube would be better than SAFE. Right?
That’s not what we want, here, I’d think.
Unless the app dev (of SAFEtube) is gonna pay the viral video producers out of his/her 10% reward. But that doesn’t look good / make sense to me either
You’re right man I totally agree, it’s a mind-stumper for sure. There’s a big imbalance here.
But I think there should at least be something (ex. who says only app devs are more important than “movie devs”?). But I would see “the money coming” mostly from the fans, who want to support and see more content. Could be micro-payment “likes” etc, but I see voluntary payment as the #1 source in the future.
BUT I STILL FEEL like if “app devs” are getting paid something by default by the network, then “content devs” should too
Contents can be sold via serial number keys.
Apps can be sold as well.
Correct – the problem is when you plan a budget – answering this question is not optional in the least. It must balance or it will not work. If the network starts leaking value it will always undermine it’s value.
When you put a product on the market, people are willing to pay you what it is worth to them. When somebody else pays the bill – a third party like the network – a disconnect happens, and the market breaks. As a producer you can overproduce because the third party is willing to pay regardless of the value, and as a consumer you can overconsume because it isn’t costing you anything. But the network pays - not only by the subsidy, but also in the bandwidth, the storage space etc…
Why would an APP do this in the first place? Would this encourage content creators to upload their content to this APP (with the chance of being paid for content), thereby attracting content consumers to this APP (because that’s where the content is)?
Why can not a content dev be a app dev booth are just content of data, difference is what data is within the app, an artists community needs to crowdfund an open source app and put in content into the app.
Then any content provider will be an app provider, then we will see whiteout mashup app with a introduction sample and a true fan pay usage for likes. Then mashups lesson could be even taught within the app, possibilities are endless.
These may seem like valid arguments until you consider the following:
APPs are used. Content is consumed.
That’s the difference between the data. They are not on the same playing field. Apples to oranges.
Well, yeah, that’s how YouTube operates today
But don’t forget, I said this was an example of a bad idea
Please describe in what ways and to what extent would having the app dev pay the content producers out of his/her 10% reward be a “bad idea”.
it’s unreliable, not every app dev would reliably do it, so all content producers in the whole world would be reliant on random App dev’s whims & episodes of generosity
it takes away from our important app devs
most likely, only the top handful of content producers would ever actually get anything, ie. the random ones who catch the eye of the app dev.
Something implemented at the core level would at least ensure talented content creators could at least have something they can count on, to keep their work (& bodies) alive.
So what you’re saying is that this app-pays-the-creator model creates a free market? One that might
Reward app devs that do include this, and punish those who don’t?
Create more revenue for the app devs that do include this?
Reward popular content, and not reward unpopular content?
Also not tout itself as the only business model, but allow others to co-exist with it?
I’m sorry, could you explain a bit further? I’m having trouble understanding your misgivings.
Dude lol I HATE that ppl are asking me about this model!! I hate the model!! It was only an example of a horrible idea; a horrible thing people may have to resort to of PtP isn’t created.
Lol please stop talking about this idea, I just said it to prove a point. It’s a horrible idea!! I just gave all those reasons why!