@neo I understand what you are saying and it would be nice if they included calculations for “click on .exe and get free money with your current resource”.
Whether they include it doesn’t really matter, because people who click on .exe won’t read the White Paper.
I’ll give you a real example. I have a dev friend who has been in the beta since the beginning and hasn’t bothered to understand how the rewards work for the past 5 weeks, but at the same time he’s telling people he knows about it.
One of his acquaintances joined a week ago. He’s not a technical person, he doesn’t know anything about crypto, he didn’t write down the seed words for his MetaMask ethereum address and he’s already lost them, so everything he earned with 100 nodes for the first week was lost and he made a new ethereum address.
Well, I doubt this person will ever read the White Paper and the mass of people will be like him as long as there is some liquidity in which to sell the earned from the nodes.
So Bux is therefore right that the White Paper should be aimed at exchanges and large investors who would launch nodes on specially designed new hardware.
I really appreciate your hard work on this network. I personally have no doubt in your integrity and honesty to deliver on the fundamentals. Why else would you have been chosen by a founder and team that have only been open and honest for decades about this project. I know you will bring this network into the spotlight, and it will succeed. Cheers
The white paper is sort of like the instruction manual for a product. You don’t necessarily read it to use the device, but its there to describe how it should work and how you should operate it.
That is why you include things like that for those who do not read it upfront.
Also you include things like that for those wanting to know what its all about.
Yeah, we should regard it like the POH (Pilot Operating Handbook) in a small plane, should be in the aircraft at all times, even if you are not necessarily going to whip it out at 3000 ft on most flights, its the definitive statement about the essential operating parameters for the equipment.
And I guess non native speaker simply don’t care because for them ist like tomato/tomato… (at least for me it’s like that)
I really hope everyone would be smart enough to figure out that if he doesn’t invest into new hardware but just runs existing stuff it’s basically ‘free money’ for him/her…
(actually I think people tend to underestimate the cost involved running outdated hardware that consumes a lot more electricity than a rpi)
What’s the target audience? Whitepaper is public relations and I’m with @Dimitar and @Bux here… Exchanges as target audience sounds about right… The average home node runner needs a shiny website/15s video to understand how he can join and benefit… And ideally what to expect in terms of coin returns per node so he can estimate if it’s worth it
I agree with you @JPL, I can’t believe I m reading this. “errare humanum est, sed perseverare autem diabolicum,” sorry about the spelling . It should be written in Russian because English is the capitalist language
Not sure if this is the right thread for this question, but when we do move to the native token, will there be changes to pricing at the low end?
I’m thinking about the chunk size vs a few KBs for a forum message type size. Will we be able to get the price down low without previous decisions with ERC20 hampering this?
On and off there was a small amount of speculation that payment based on record size could be a thing. Of course there is a minimum amount of cost no matter the size since its the same amount of messaging back and forth done before uploading the record to store.
I do hope there is more consideration put into this since we will have 18 decimal places to work with.
We mention in the WP about bundling/batching multiple transfers into single transactions for efficient gas usage while using the ERC token - a 150MB, with prices at time of WP, would be about .20p.
We also have the emissions to help smooth pricing for uploaders while the network finds its feet/balance - noting we have had no real data, nature or volume wise at all, just yet - so while we likely, based on beta and testing phase, to have the ability to spin up capacity, the same will need demand, the experience (inc price) on user/uploader/application side is where focus is now needed. Will dig in more on this next week, but this is where ‘DAVE’ comes in also
Thank you Michael, your words are very much appreciated. While, in truth I’m not sure what else I would have been hired by MaidSafe to do (and also be judged on) re: helping the network launch, I am super aware that what we’re trying to launch (and the impact we hope it has over time) is much bigger than any company or team (no matter how brilliant). Autonomi, when live, will involve many folk, with many ideas and different sources of inspiration, ‘SAFE’, while something that is and always will be David’s brain child and vision, will soon be no one’s ‘business’, it’s value and growth will be as a shared network, a network that is truly everyones - just the way he intended
I’d disagree with that - the White Paper lays out what the project is about and its underlying operating principles.
PR can be all sorts of advertising type stuff pitched at appropriate levels, the White Paper should be a “reference” document. IMNSHO of course
Was referencing this from WP (just put in £s, although noting stable coins are in $ - thus why using that in paper).
At the time of writing, a combination of 4MB chunk size and batching means a 150MB file is currently incurring $0.25 gas fee (noting while the quoted price here is currently indicative that it will be subject to Ethereum network fluctuations).
And no, no real testing - testnets have been super useful but we cannot avoid the early days of it being ‘real’ - the Milestone Update (with the payments) is important for that, but in fairness with Maidsafe uploading data, incentives not connected to emissions or tokenomics design, we still very much have a ‘barriers in a bowling alley’ type setup - the only way to remove them is through making progress. You’ll be pleased to learn that I react and plan based on the tech decisions and limitations - I don’t make them.
I think this serves as that, and is a solid document for those we’re asking to support the project industry wise (whether exchanges, influencers, partners, node runners or indeed people looking at the token in market - I won’t mention that last group again but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist and that our node operators won’t benefit from their enthusiasm).
The WP has to walk the line - it isn’t technical enough for developers (I am limited in my ability to write such things of course), but we have documentation being updated to deliver that deeper dive (Gitbook), we also have a lot of tidying up to do and work being done re: API documentation and SDKs.
As mentioned yesterday, I’m less concerned about the ability for Autonomi to meet early data storage demands (based on it having had willing participates so far and that there are incentives enough for them to be covered in the early stages), the focus for me is on what the developer experience is like, and to ensure that there are some applications available on Autonomi asap, so that we can start to stretch its legs a little in the real world.
For retail users (some like me), as I mentioned to Neo, I think the entry point is likely applications with a unique offer and great UX that is yet to exist - my hypothesis (bet - think DIBB framework) is that the next wave of node operators will be working in technology, more likely already involved with nodes and/or the burgeoning web3/decentralised world. They are easier to target - and will need/want the content in the WP to compare Autonomi with other ‘similar’ (but really not) projects out there.
. It should be written in Russian because English is the capitalist language
