One comment on the native token not being a worthy fight. I understand it may not be for Maidsafe and that it isn’t the highest priority or really a priority at all. Compared to what is being presented, I would actually agree in terms of priority. I do think it’s a fight worth fighting though. Maybe we could as a community tackle it one day.
The reason I think the native token has always been so sought for is the efficiency, scalability, complete integration, but most importantly P2P and private. The world we are heading into, especially with AI, is one of surveillance and control. The data may be protected, the knowledge protected but the money can often tell the whole story. In a perfect world we wouldn’t need to care but when the wrong people can search the chain we rely on with AI assisted forensic accounting, then we don’t have that P2P digital cash and privacy.
I think where some of the soarsa and quantum cryptography stuff comes in with credit cards or other AT2 or digital wallets, might help preserve privacy or separate identity from transactions? In that case, we’re way closer to that goal but it would still be half baked. I agree with David on trying to match the current smart contract development of the Ethereum ecosystem being a farce but if we had a solid P2P private digital cash implementation then I think that would all come eventually simply through interest and adoption.
Technically there is no reason for Maidsafe to have to focus on a native token, sure but I think we deserve a private P2P digital cash that is lightning fast and scalable by being run on the same close group consensus nodes that power the network. Just my opinion of course.
What are other’s opinions? Could the community take this one on and achieve this someday realistically? How would you see such a token being designed and implemented or even integrated?
So, so, so disappointing. Years of trust and money that I barely possessed at the time because I believed in the cause of privacy. It’s a painful betrayal.
We didn’t supported anything, we invested money in a token. When we make money from the token and donate it for a native token, then we can say we supported something…
You are playing with words. There are still videos where the team is very proud to develop a “non blockchain” project. We can turn this thing in any possible way, it will still remain a departure from one of the two or three main selling points.
You’re right about the past, I was commenting on the future. Even winning a fraud case against MaidSafe will not result in a native token. I was trying to give you the perspective that a native token is inevitable in the future, just not from MaidSafe.
My point is that the reason why we “invested” in the ICO was the promise of security and privacy. I am not one of these people making empty legal threats. I don’t even wish any bad to the team. I am just highlighting the betrayal because I still possess some hope that they will realize how damaging this U turn is.
As suggested correctly by @happybeing (“I think we need to reflect on that when we are being promised things by Autonomi”) anything they write or say now is just noise.
Nothing like that, I’m just predicting that copies are inevitable. Some people will complain, some will roll up their sleeves and take action. The future is brighter than ever!
Apart of other things, the roadmap itself was a big disappointment to me. It’s all fuzzy. Who knows what is going to get done, and in which order? Is the “small” task of App Marketplace going to be focused on before the “large” task of Fiat Gateway?
How about any partnerships? Is there going to be some announcement about them? And marketing, any plans?
No, this is already information. Even if someone is unable to listen to your phone conversation, knowing the frequency of your phone calls is already telling a lot.
My take is the buzzword of 2014 (“coin”) got replaced with the buzzword of 2025 (“ai”), and in ten years, this project will be playing catchup again, because before all the goals are achieved, the world will change once more.
This project is the 2025 version of those websites that were under construction from 97 to 2002.
That’s not a decent review of situation that David gave there. It might be true that “all that people know…”, but as well as being very excited about the possibilites of AI for code developement, the project should be bracing against the surveillance threats the AI creates.
We need a thorough review how this network protects people against the kind of surveillance that is emerging with Ai and it’s capability in linking all sorts of data.
Anyone with minimal experience in this field knows how much it is possible to exploit metadata such as upload time and “quantity”. This is a renunciation of a core element of the project.
The fact that it is dismissed so lightly just adds insult to injury.
With native token or any type of token or any type of cryptocurrency, you start with money. You buy that. Unless you’re saying the only people that are going to pay are the people who are earning the token, like node runners—which is totally idiotic.So anywhere you start, you’ve got money. When you’ve got money, you’re known.
In the system right now, when you make a payment that’s not linked to your data.If you had a privacy coin and it had the smart contract capability, then it would just be exactly the same.Our native token does not have a smart contract ability. You’re probably paying direct to the person that you’re storing on. You will be more known at that point.
The idea that a native token gives you some extra privacy in today’s world—where you do have AIs that can monitor all sorts of traffic all over the place—is not the case. It’s just not true.The privacy coins that do exist, many of them are in significant trouble. They are being left by their users because of usability issues. Some of them are even being 51% attacked.
The privacy and security are all going to be in the technology—it’s going to be in how nodes connect, what protocols are used to connect. Soon it may be early quantum secure.The ability to connect folk is a technology issue.
How do we get through NAT devices? How do we ensure that we can get people directly connected wherever possible?For communication, how can we get people connected with the effective protocol over the top of technology that is inherently self-secure?When people are communicating directly, video, voice, text, you would hope that there would be no need for money exchange.In the world we’re going to, human-to-human communication and collaboration is going to be very important—it is direct and not through third-party devices.If people are concerned about privacy and security, this is exactly the part they should be looking at.It’s got absolutely zero to do with any currency whatsoever.
Then you have a network where you can store data and pay to store the data, and you want to make sure that the payment you make is not linked to the data you store.That’s what we have. that’s what we have right now.
People are convinced they want something different, something else—without knowing why they want something else and why they want something different—and what it will give them.And that just gets repeated over and over and over again when, actually, important stuff for security, privacy, and freedom is almost utterly ignored.And the world moves on, technology moves on, access to technology through mobile devices etc. moves on. We might be accessing it via glasses. They are not going to run nodes.And yet people will go back and say “native token, native token, native token”—with no idea why they’re saying it. It just sounds really good.
Agreed. More of the same lofty dribble and empty promises is what it looks like to me. Meanwhile, the basic, practical things needed to make this project successful today (not some amorphous point in the future) are not done.
