SAFE broadcast system

[Tonda]

Sorry for the wait. I party especially hard on weekends. Even more so because of SAFE’s long awaited emergence. After my sixth cup of cheap vodka I was gone.

@smacz

Here’s the crux of the matter: I fail to discern how an update/broadcast system would alleviate such occurrences - and not for lack of understanding your arguments

If you say so.

@smacz

A mailing list would be the nearest approximation of a system similar to your proposed one to lessen the frequency of these posts, but I do not believe that you envision broadcasting an entire mailing list throughout the Network. Surely not.

Yes, I envision a succinct breakdown of the most significant events relating to the network in a global broadcast embedded into the launcher.

Reading something to the effect of:

“The network is undergoing heavy development and maintenance, your files and websites will likely not remain on the network for long.”

“There have been reports of uploads not completing, were working to fix this.”

“The network has been reset, this means your files are no longer on the SAFE. Please continue to help us by reuploading your data.”

Blah blah. You get the idea (hopefully). We can fine tune this.

This would surely save me and others from checking dead links. I could then, by that message board, be directed to the section of the forum that maintains a list of fresh links.

@smacz

This “posting questions to known hangups” is a familiar issue with FOSS enthusiasts. Standard practice (and trust me, many systems have been tried and tested) is to put it in a repository to be searched - or linked to by experienced members of the community (such as yourself) in answer to such questions in a forum or mailing list type system.

Practice must adapt. SAFE is far from standard. As ridiculous as this might sound, there are naive people who believe that merely asking questions on the clearnet is enough to deanonymize them on systems like SAFE.

Experiencing instability without having their expectations tamed would lead to abandonment.Those who are bold enough to ask questions could have some of them answered prior to heading to the forum for ones that are still open in their minds.

@smacz

No, what you are talking about is a news feed full of update announcements, developments in development (<- like what I did there???), and other news.

I thought I already clarified that in my previous post. Seems I keep leaving too much room for interpretation. You strike me as a guy capable of filling in the blanks. Sorry.

Tim understood or at least arrived at what he did using creativity and reasoning.

@smacz

News is not support. Support is a two-way street. Broadcasts (of this sort) are one-way, and not suited for support.

Depends on how you look at it. If the news conditions users to be more patient and aware of the current state of the network, it could reduce the workload of the support group like us. In addition, people will be informed of open issues and proper support channels because of this broadcast.

Intel has many supportive qualities.

@smacz

Also, what happens when I don’t log in for weeks? Well, it’s not done via mpid_messaging so it would have to find another way to live on the Network while I’m offline. And when I do logon, will I need to view those before I’m able to log into the Network? If not, what’s the use of them to warning me about the Network changes?

What!? First, you won’t be presented with this information before log on. It’ll be presented in the launcher as a small text field.

Second, it doesn’t have to be thrown at the user to garner attention. The launcher in it’s current state is fairly plain. Having a few words about what’s happening with development and proper support channels might be a welcomed addition to the bland/ relatively uninformative UI.

@smacz

< smacz-being-a-dick > So once again: nay. If you would like to argue specific points of your proposal instead of asserting baseless conclusions, I would be all ears (or…well…eyes). Here are some that we’ve gone through:

I knew that would rall you up. Likely the reason for the opposition in the first place. I called you a dick because you posed the suggestion as a question when you knew it was not outside the scope of possibility (you’re a coder for god sake). I’m surely not one of the main devs so it didn’t make sense. We both know It was a subtle jab.

@smacz

Is not modular (only allows “official” updates - no other entity could utlize the protocol)
Is unsolicited
Can feasibly be set up on the network separately and interactively
We already have mpid_messaging that can handle offline notifications and messages
does not offer the tech-savvy early adopters the benefits that you claim it does (no matter how many times you insist the contrary)
does not take into account future variations on launcher
does not notify the people who need update alerts the most - farmers
does not offer support ability for people in the community with questions

I feel you threw this in just to add substance to your argument. None of you listed matters.

My proposal is for the very short term (1 - 3 months). Who’s to say this couldn’t be expanded to alert farmers. It’s not helping the non tech savvy is contradicted by the agreement of a few from that very group…

My proposals aren’t so rigid. People are free to refine them further. I’m more than happy to have people brainstorm improvements.

I knew calling someone a dick might be taken offensively, but I’m shocked at how irrational it has made you. Saying this is likely to make you more angry.

@smacz

Basically you just created something for my Nana - who isn’t an early adopter. Here’s a thought: design the Network (in the early stages) for the people who are actually going to use it. < \ok-i’m-done >

Well being that you’re omniscient I guess you’re right. You know of everyone who will want to use this network and their technical capacities. NOW I’M BEING A DICK. Lol!

@smacz

To your credit, it is something that I considered earlier. I didn’t make a post about it because I dismissed it in deference to the more thought-out “RSS/Atom news feed”-like system as @Tim87 mentioned. Now what might be effective is to distribute the launcher with a news feed system addon inside of the Launcher with the “official” channel pre-loaded. Something to think about.

Oh man! Couldn’t you have brought this up several posts ago? Honestly I’ve never played with or used RSS/Atom feeds in my life. If it achieves the previously stated goals, what was keeping you from bringing it up? I find this exchange strange and fueled by something other than a differing opinion on effectiveness.

Are our future interactions forever tarnished? I didn’t think you would be so sensitive. I really am sorry that I assumed you would just brush it off. Will you accept my apology?