Show us you have made some progress with these free resources next weekend and you might get a little more respect in here.
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I see many things going on here, why you cant see this?
hum… how about wear a glasses ?
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There is a World Pandemic. People are dying. Millions will die. Can we act as people and support each other in these terrible times?
Let’s say you were building something and some stranger kept popping in on a weekly basis and told you that you are too slow, you will never finish and that they are impatient that you finish. They offered no help and came back time after time to tell you what you still need to do.
How would you react?
How would you react if that happened face to face instead of online? I bet you would punch the guy right in the face.
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in the light of the circumstances he can just cough in his face… 
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Advocating attempted mudder pushing the limits on forum decorum 
… anxiety levels in places as high, as stupidity in others.
I wonder we all do well to remember that in catering for everyone, we see young and naive; old and impatient; alsorts of others mixtures of motive and personality… some positive, some negative; some curious, some confused.
Principal of Charity applies … and don’t feed the trolls. 
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But that’s just the flu, there is nothing to fear
Here I see a bunch of people showing class and being cool. This is the benefit of not overreacting on “pain-in-the-ass-people”. Anyone from outside reading this, will see the responses, and that determines their view of everything here. Not the less-than-handful of exaggeratedly pessimistic people.
If pain-in-the-ass-people are not allowed to exist, then that raises more of concerned gut feeling - at least it does to me.
So, yeah. What I’m saying is basically that it shows on peoples responses what the reality is, and that is a lot more comforting than no PITA-people being seen anywhere.
Then of course, for a better working environment it can be quite useful to engage filtering, but that is on personal level and up to each and every one based on their specific priorities at the time.
(And also, there is naturally some level, defined by forum moderators, where enough is enough. But in my mind it takes a bit more to reach a level when cool community members cannot handle it perfectly well, and also turning it into something positive overall.)
I’ve met a lot of people** who were extremely stubbornly pessimistic and misinterpreting even the most clearly positive things. No reason or arguments biting at all on them. And they were, to the best of my knowledge, just being themselves. They didn’t have some hidden agenda or anything like that, not trying to cause damage or trying to upset me or anyone else, and they believed in their own view, so it wasn’t conscious lying either… That’s just how they were wired. They exist 
Of course I can’t tell for sure who these guys are, but that kind of people are relatively common in my experience 
The consciously malicious people are not terribly uncommon either, but the old adage “don’t attribute to malice what you can attribute to incompetence” I think applies and maps quite well to my personal observations.
Edit:
**If anyone thinks I’m talking about them, I’m definitely not 
, I can’t remember any recent encounter actually… The kind of people I refer to have quite distinct characteristics.
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At this point I’m not sure why people keep getting frustrated. If history continues to repeat, plan on having a quality dev update that shows great progress followed by anxiety and FUD in the comments of a couple “non-tech” persuations from now until launch day and beyond. Can we move on now please? Plenty of more important things to discuss.
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Show me any of my FUD in comments please. What I see Is a bunch of blokes continuously saying there is great progress. This is the FUD. Work on Node aging was started almost ONE year ago and its still not even close to beeing completed. So dont tell me there is great progress. Baby fleming is just a buggy, uncompleted release with many limitations. Backend which is still FAR from ready have terrible pace dont try convince me its not the case. This will not change as less and less devs work to complete this scope. Now with Pierre on 2 months vacations its even more obvious. I admire and I am a fan of the devs working on the backend but truth is the work force is simply too small to complete the needed tasks for beta release- even in 2 years I dont see this happening.
EDIT: If youre so clever scream that there is great progress please tell me what is the current state of Node aging, how much % is completed, how much is left in % time whatever, I guess you dont know? I think I guessed right. Probably CEO doesnt know either but will say it will be completed SOON as we always hear.
I’ll ask again…
What are YOU doing to try move things forward?
Until we get a reasonable answer to that question I suspect you will get the reception you deserve in here.
Lol, made me laugh, if ya dont know what FUD means, maybe dont use it, doesn’t do ya any favors cheesy.
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@gouda123 is now making things up and stating untruths that he’s already been corrected on. I think we should ignore him and delete any posts like the one above that contain clear untruths (eg that node aging is incomplete, when David has just said is complete). @moderators
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Yes we did node age a while back now https://github.com/maidsafe/routing/pulls?q=node+age shows related tasks that were part of it. so all good there We still have work on add new nodes and split, but all the split machinery is in place and we test that as well. It is hard to work with the constant negativity from that account, it’s was always on the edge of truthfulness but has now morphed into something worse. It really does not help the team who are very dedicated and focused to stay that way.
The only thing I can think is that person has perhaps sold all their coins and is in some kind of revenge mission or has some other weird reason to deflate folk. However it is turning into much more a joke now, so probably starting to backfire as the accusations get more ludicrous.
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v0.17.0-alpha.0 - compatible with Baby Fleming
v0.16.0 - Not compatible with the recent Baby Fleming release
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Then why don’t you just sell your stack and leave? You clearly aren’t impressed with progress, so do the decent thing and go. This time, don’t create another account and come back again a couple of weeks later, starsmick.
Just. Go.
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If @dirvine thinks the cheese account is a serious distraction and closing it would make Maidsafe’s job easier, I’ll do it. This would typically be an internal discussion for the @moderators, but it’s been very public this far, so… Any objections?
I’m thinking this might be the last chance for you to change your tune @Starsmick/@gouda123.
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I think it is more likely this person bought in at much higher prices, and is too heavily invested to sell now, it would be devastating to him. That’s why all the bitterness and that’s why he cannot leave.
I think that bitterness can be understood (in the meaning that one can see how some could end up there), but it is an unfortunate combination when it’s mixed with ignorance and what seems like inability to take in arguments (or trust the words of others). It makes him not perceiving/understanding the progress. Then he exaggerates what he misunderstood, because he is bitter and has an immature need to “revenge”, and can’t see that it’s not making anything better for anyone, including himself.
That seems to be his situation, from my view.
So, what I’m saying is, you might say to him “Leave, go, no one wants you here!”. But, in the same way, considering the above potential scenario, he’s not really going to leave just because of that, is he?
Then there is the censorship option…
Or we all just ignore or spend time on showing everyone how wrong he is (depending on priorities). It takes time, but the other options aren’t really “free” either.
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My personal non-moderator view/advice is to just ignore the troll completely. There is always going to be ignorance and malice. No need to get overly emotional. But that’s just me.
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