"Micro" PUT proposal

The core of the network could provide time as a service without depending on it itself, or even being aware of what it is (this is the thing we want to avoid) - which would be very useful since humans depend on it. Well, would be useful if it could be done at a reasonable cost.

It could be a sort of gibberish meta-data from the network point of view, that it just attached to everything, with the obvious and clear caveat for all users “do what you will with this gibberish, if you happen to find it useful”. Which I am quite sure humans would (or else we would have got rid of “time” long ago).

Some interesting reading: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/315830285_A_Distributed_Consensus-Based_Clock_Synchronization_Protocol_for_Wireless_Sensor_Networks

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Never understood why it takes more than providing some storage for a period to set up an account with the provision that if the locally provided storage or its equivalent becomes inaccessible then the access to the network is locked until it is restored or its equivalent is made accessible. Wouldn’t matter if it required more storage be supplied by the end user for the network’s exclusive use than the space taken up for 4 copies of the user’s data. But I can’t see people paying any kind of premium for access- not ever, nor ever wanting to accept gimmicks like bargains on crypto appreciation. Something is wrong if any of that is necessary even if only for start up. People generally already pay a telecom fee and that is providing access to hardware the telecom provider has provided even if it only comes in for some in long distance hops.

But ads? What utter garbage. We have the clearnet and ads have ruined it. If I ever see ads on the network I’ll never use it or ever recommend it to anyone, because it will clearly have no integrity. A spam net and the prostitution of attention? You can’t sell what doesn’t belong to you. You see ads and despite what Google has done (while it lasts) you know its a system by idiots for idiots. Ads are noise! Imagine a store where there are pan handlers actually inside the store on every isle, but instead of these being made up of the poor they are made up of the Fotune 500 and they don’t even sell goods in that store but for some reason they can’t be removed.

That’s your garbage consolidated top down network that exists to push supply side speech.
Not even Google spammed its front page and that was probably the reason for its success.

Warren the old timer poet.

Yes and it just demonstrates how addicted people are to free stuff

Maybe I missed some discussions about it but I have to ask, what if farming was automatically enabled by default? How long would it take to get their first coin?

I don’t think we can no that till the algos are done and fine tuned through testing.

Then what about having a sandbox/mock so they can get a taste of it (maybe with an excuse of being in a training period) until they farm their first safecoin which enable them to access the main network, which it would automatically upload everything they’ve been playing up to that point to the mainnet.

If they want to get online faster, deposit a safecoin or get a referral… but in the meantime you can play around to get familiar with the environment.

Wasen’t the plan changed to paying tiny fractions of safecoin instead of a chance for one?
They’ll still have to scrape together 1MB’s worth, but let’s assume that that is less then 1 safecoin would buy.

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That is still the inital plan. As you start a vault it will be an Infant and may be for several hrs, maybe days, then it becomes an Adult and you will immediately see coins being farmed.

Infant scares people, but it is important to prevent/discourage folk from just messing around starting and restarting vaults. So initial inertia then you are off to the races. We hope that will be encouraging. We can of course get smarter, with Infants earning a promise of funds when they get promoted and so on.

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Not only is that unethical, but potentially damaging since SAFE software will be flagged as malware.

The user must always be given the option to farm or not to farm since it is using their resources.

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What about opt-out instead of opt-in

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As long as the default is not to run a vault. They have to choose to run the vault. Use language to explain it is good.

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can’t message boards and stuff be funded by the creators? Like you would want to have limit on how much “kitty” you gave a msg board just in case of spam attacks. This is a concern regardless of if it costs safecoin or not though, so I think most smart operators would have checks for this.
But if regular use means a small amount of text gets uploaded you don’t have to be a saint to say I’ll just pay for anyone that uses my board.

This actually leads to a more general question. When you give someone write permission are you giving them a blank check of safecoins to use for that purpose or will they be required to supply their own? What about a toggle on that so that if they are my good friends I can let them play in the hangout for free but if its like girls with cooties they have to pay their own way :stuck_out_tongue:

Edit: just reviewing the data types article and I am not sure I was using the right terminology. Like with unpublished data you can be giving someone “write permission,” but I think what I am talking about is more public appendable data, but in a scenario where there is more than one author. Now its seeming even more murky to me lol. In any case it seems there should be a way I can offer to pay for the cost of letting other authors contribute.

Very easy the message board buys the ADs and gives add access to everyone. But adding a message will still cost, unless you want to give the keys to your coinbalance to everyone.

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well it might be ok if you made a separate balance for that so its just the msg board kitty not your life savings. That said there should be a way to restrict it to fuel for this msg board and not just sitting there for anyone to loot and walk away.

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